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Old May 18, 2007, 3:27am   #1
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I'm not sure if I'm in the middle of a huge downswing, or i just plain suck, but this is extremely disheartening. i've lost 13 buyins at 10NL (guess my little "milestone" thread was premature). i'm just sick of it. spinning wheels and getting no where. i understand varience is part of the game, but for the past two weeks i've hit nothing. zip zero nada. i either miss the flop completely or hit middle/bottom. sorry i'm just rambling, but what do you guys do to get through the downswings?

just another thought, i play cash games exclusively on Bodog, and their tourneys are horrid. i thought about cashing out most of my winnnings and trying my hand at Stars or FT to mix things up a bit.
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Old May 18, 2007, 3:52am   #2
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What do I do when i feel down about a bad swing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y

HTFU!

But seriously, why not jump on Stars and play some small SnG to mix things up? Why play cash games on Bodog exclusively? Hope you run better.

Remember, you won't play at your best if you keep thinking about how you can/have/will be beat....
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I'm not sure if I'm in the middle of a huge downswing, or i just plain suck, but this is extremely disheartening. i've lost 13 buyins at 10NL (guess my little "milestone" thread was premature). i'm just sick of it. spinning wheels and getting no where. i understand varience is part of the game, but for the past two weeks i've hit nothing. zip zero nada. i either miss the flop completely or hit middle/bottom. sorry i'm just rambling, but what do you guys do to get through the downswings?

just another thought, i play cash games exclusively on Bodog, and their tourneys are horrid. i thought about cashing out most of my winnnings and trying my hand at Stars or FT to mix things up a bit.

Im down 10% of my roll this month and everyday I lose more.
Sucks being a tourney player sometimes as well.

Best thing to do is take a break or just mix it up.

If you do move to another site then get an affiliate.
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Old May 18, 2007, 4:10am   #4
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If I'm in the middle of a depressing downswing but still feel like I absolutely must play poker for some reason, I try tp play freerolls or points buyin tourneys because at least I know my bankroll won't be suffering. I know they have points tourneys at Bodog, not that many though unfortunately. (At Stars they have these insane 40FPP turbo rebuy satellites, they are fantastic for blowing off steam.)

But maybe trying a new site might be the breath of fresh air you need. If you haven't already got an account at Stars or Full Tilt, definitelysign up through an affiliate, and at Full Tilt you probably want to sign up for rakeback rather than any other kind of promotion. (Am really regretting not doing this myself.)
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Old May 18, 2007, 9:36am   #5
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Try to relax and breath in. Im playing bodog 5c/10c lately, so i know the tables. Odds are , if you're selecting the right kind of tables, you're playing extremely high variance longball games.

People are so dumb at bodog and so willing to go all in with air/draws/toppair bad kicker and all kinds of crap that you yourself have to call them down more often, due to the % of the time you'll be ahead.

Somehow i also noticed that my luck at bodog tends to be up and down. I have days when i loose every big pot i play and days when i win every big pot i play. You're probably going to have some good days soon, so try and wait for them to come.

At 5c/10c bodog a friend of mine made $100 playing just 3 hours (3 tableing). He's not a genius. it's very doable. SO, wait it out.

(if you decide to move to stars the variance will be smaller, but imho so will the winrate be)
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i play at Bodog exclusively because that's where my roll is. since it's become harder to move money around, i've elected to just leave it all on there (about $380). i've thought about either cashing the whole thing out, taking some winnings for myself and depositing on stars or FT with a rake back and play there. It's a shame really, because if I'm card dead, i'm folding for an hour until i get a hand at which time i'm the table rock and get zero action. if i loosen up, i miss flops or call draws that i shouldn't. unfortunately, the average player has learned the basics of play. i've tried multi tabling to essentially set mine, but i just end up losing two buyins instead of one. thanks for the words of advice guys.
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Well you don't have to put all your eggs in one basket. I gather you've been playing full ring at Bodog? (I think that's all they have at the $10 level.) So cash out some of your Bodog money, make a deposit at one of the other sites and play around with $10 6-max. Play more hands, LAG it up and have fun.
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In my experience, a 5c/10c nl table at bodog ussually gets bad after 20 minutes or so. The fish start to die and you're left with the other regullars that can spot the fact that you've been playing solid poker.

Easiest thing to do when you're card dead : change tables. I now just change tables every 15 minutes unless i have a specific target at each table (ie a fish im drooling after)
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good advice both of you. i think i am going to switch.

angusg,

that's exactly what i want, 10NL 6max. FR gets soooooo boring as you almost have to wait for premium hands to do anything. get bored too easily and start making mistakes. wow, i might be on to something...
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Old May 22, 2007, 11:26am   #10
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get bored too easily and start making mistakes. wow, i might be on to something...
You kind of beat me to it.

My 2c worth:

1c: We are all playing micro stakes here, so I will assume that none of us is an expert player. Yes, varience plays a part in a downswing, but so does poor play. And at these stakes, lots of it. And I'm not talking about other peoples. Don't make the mistake of thinking that running well is the same thing as playing well and that running badly is not playing badly.

If you have lost 13 buyins there is a reason for this, and I highly doubt it is just down to varience. Losing money forces us to confront that we may not be as good as we think we are. How are you going to respond to that? By analysing your game looking for your leaks, or by cursing your luck and other people's donkey play?

Taking a break is no bad thing. Changing games/sites/tables is no bad thing. But when you start winning again, don't be fooled that your good play is finally being rewarded. It is just as likley that your poor play is not being punished.

2c: Read Notjitsu's Myspace blog where he has some excellent essays on the kind of self delusion we are all capable of.

Edit: or read this article in the latest CardPlayer:

http://www.cardplayer.com/magazine/article/16733
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