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Old Jun 29, 2007, 4:09pm   #1
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If i want this mother fucker to fold his crappy overpair? Thats what i put him on and i was playing enough hands for him to be really worried about me hitting two pair or a set/straight here...

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$25 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, June 29, 10:46:07 ET 2007
Table Table 125545 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: frida98222 ( $3.47 USD )
Seat 3: Son_of_Musho ( $15.91 USD )
Seat 4: ExcitedSpoon ( $56.12 USD )
Seat 5: Mark_126 ( $24.90 USD )
Seat 2: Guvid_ ( $23.40 USD )
Seat 6: apopoliptica ( $28.96 USD )
frida98222 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Guvid_ posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Guvid_ [ 3h 5h ]
Son_of_Musho folds.
ExcitedSpoon folds.
Mark_126 raises [$1.25 USD]
apopoliptica folds.
frida98222 folds.
Guvid_ calls [$1 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, 9d, 7h ]
Guvid_ bets [$2 USD]
Mark_126 calls [$2 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]
Guvid_ bets [$4 USD]
Mark_126 calls [$4 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Ks ]
Guvid_ bets [$7 USD]
Mark_126 calls [$7 USD]
Guvid_ shows [ 3h, 5h ]high card King.
Mark_126 shows [ Jd, Js ]a pair of Jacks.
Mark_126 wins $27.17 USD from the main pot with a pair of Jacks.
Son_of_Musho has left the table.
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Old Jun 29, 2007, 4:13pm   #2
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You don't make money at NL 25 by making people fold their overpairs.
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Old Jun 29, 2007, 4:19pm   #3
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fancy play symdrom again...
When you put someone on an overpair, you dont try to make him fold, you fold.

Especially witht the way you played it... Pretty atrocious. At any levels, the story youre telling in a hand must make sense when youre bluffing and must look somewhat weak or suspicious when youre not.

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Old Jun 29, 2007, 5:40pm   #4
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Preflop I hate the call. Playing oop is tough, alot tougher when youvé got two low cards. Making the call even worse is your getting really wretched odds on your call, your putting in 1 in addition to the .25 from your blind. You'd be much better off just calling for the full 1.25 from the button.
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Old Jun 30, 2007, 12:21am   #5
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IMHO bluffing at this level just really isnt worth it, especially OOP
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Old Jun 30, 2007, 1:51am   #6
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Old Jun 30, 2007, 3:40pm   #7
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Well you had a good read on his hand, but a terrible read on the player. Had you seen him make a big laydown before? If not then you are bluffing blind and shouldn't complain when he calls you down.

When he calls your turn bet you really have to question whether you are going to be able to push him off with a 1/2 pot value bet on the river. At some point you have to accept that your plan isn't working and save the rest of your stack.

Why should he put you on 2 pair or a set? You could be betting a wide range of hands here from the nut flush draw to a pair of 10's with an oesd or maybe even A9. And at this level, most people expect you to slowplay your big hands, which is why leading out with monsters can be very profitable.

Your betting pattern here reveals nothing about your hand, making it very difficult for him to lay down an overpair. A better bluff would have been to check/call the flop and check/raise the turn. People expect a turn raise to be a big hand and you are more likely to fold out an overpair on this street. Except if they are a calling station, so a read is the most important part of any bluff.
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Old Jul 01, 2007, 8:25pm   #8
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Not only does your opponent have to be a solid player capable of big laydowns, he also has to view you as a conservative type who won't commit his chips without a big hand.
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I woulda called this down at NL100, lol
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Old Jul 01, 2007, 10:36pm   #10
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Not only does your opponent have to be a solid player capable of big laydowns, he also has to view you as a conservative type who won't commit his chips without a big hand.


This is the tipe of board i really dont want to see when im holding aces really. I get paniced when i see it and sometimes i'll fold if i get a lot of action (with aces im raising the flop and folding to a 3bet). You're telling me it's such a big laydown? I mean..all he has is an overpair....and it's not even AA/KK....
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