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Old Jul 21, 2007, 10:56am   #1
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Default Official NL Hold'em Forum Heads-up Thread

With the new emphasis on Heads-up NL games on the internet I think we need to organize heads-up questions and hands into this thread for organized discussion.

Here are a few hands from a recent heads-up match:
Hero is on Button with $2600
Villain is BB with $4300

Villain started with about $5k when I arrived and I have been very aggressive preflop and have been very sticky with my BB.

Hero has ()

Preflop: Hero raises to $70, BB calls
Flop:
action: BB checks, Hero bets $110, BB calls
Turn:
Action: BB bets $80, Hero raises to $340, BB calls
River:
Action: BB bets $800, Hero ????

Hand number 2:
Hand is against same villain about 30 hands later, we have been playing really small pots except one medium one
Hero has $3900 and is BB
Villain has $3000 and is on the button

Hero is dealt ()

Preflop: Villain raises to $60 and Hero reraises to $180, villain calls

Flop:, Hero bets $280 and villain raises to $650, Hero???

Just some food for thought. Hopefully Shads will be willing to add some things to this thread and of course all are welcome to comment and add their thoughts.


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Old Jul 21, 2007, 11:52am   #2
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Awesome idea Ishbu, I'll certainly be making use of this thread a lot.

For your HU hands I don't really feel that we can give many opinions without more player specific information but here is my attempt anyway:

Hand 1: the villain's line doesn't really make sense IMO and so I expect range is very polarised. If he had a lone 9 and was floating the flop I really don't see why he he would then make a lead on the turn instead of just check/calling again to induce further bluffs. I don't expect that he would defend his BB with 49 or 59 so the only legitimate hands that he could have are things like like 44, 99 or J9 etc. I think its more likely that he picked up a draw on the turn due to floating or perhaps he has something like 4Xs or else it is just a stone cold bluff. I guess I'm too much of a calling station to fold here.

Hand 2: Without information on how light hes been calling your 3bets and how often you have done it this hand is pretty tough but it seems to me that he is trying to induce a shove but I'm not sure, I probably fold.

I'll start spewing hands into this thread after I'm back from a course in london lasting for 3 weeks.
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Old Jul 21, 2007, 12:48pm   #3
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I would like to give a read but both moves were completely out of character for him. Most of his raises have been bigger than the one if Hand 2. And in hand 1 I had not seen him donk a river after facing two bets before. So I was totally confused in both hands. Basically his raises were pretty standard raise size and I had caught him bluffing once but it was a 40BB pot so it was a standard small pot bluff. He had attempted to float me once and it blew up in his face. Other than that no real read to be given.
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Old Jul 22, 2007, 10:13am   #4
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Those are weird hands to be sure, but I think that I would call the first one and fold the 2nd one. Off bets make me want to fold unless I have a strong hand/draw.

Here's a hand to add.

Effective stacks are 3K with blinds at 100/200.

Hero has QJ and min-raises on the button. Villain calls.

Flop is Ah Kc 2s. It goes check-check.

Turn is Tc. The villain bets 300. Hero calls.

River is 4c. Villain goes all-in. Hero?
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Old Jul 22, 2007, 10:51am   #5
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Those are weird hands to be sure, but I think that I would call the first one and fold the 2nd one. Off bets make me want to fold unless I have a strong hand/draw.

Here's a hand to add.

Effective stacks are 3K with blinds at 100/200.

Hero has QJ and min-raises on the button. Villain calls.

Flop is Ah Kc 2s. It goes check-check.

Turn is Tc. The villain bets 300. Hero calls.

River is 4c. Villain goes all-in. Hero?
You have to call here. The turn should have been raised though. He could be doing this with a lot less than a flush.
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Old Jul 22, 2007, 6:39pm   #6
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Those are weird hands to be sure, but I think that I would call the first one and fold the 2nd one. Off bets make me want to fold unless I have a strong hand/draw.

Here's a hand to add.

Effective stacks are 3K with blinds at 100/200.

Hero has QJ and min-raises on the button. Villain calls.

Flop is Ah Kc 2s. It goes check-check.

Turn is Tc. The villain bets 300. Hero calls.

River is 4c. Villain goes all-in. Hero?
Big hand, heads up with only 15 bb in your stack to start with. Pretty much closest thing to a fistpump all in you are going to get.
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Old Jul 23, 2007, 1:48am   #7
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Checking behind with the nuts on the river....it just boggles my mind.

Kinda reminds me when I was playing live one time (I wasn't in the hand), two guys got in a raising war on the river. One had the nut straight and one had a lesser straight. It boggled my mind that the guy with the nut straight flat-called the last raise made by his opponent.

Full Tilt Poker Game #3029343133: $5 + $0.25 Heads Up Sit & Go (23134986), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:26:54 ET - 2007/07/22
Seat 1: hulldog (1,175)
Seat 2: waxhax0rs (1,825)
hulldog posts the small blind of 20
waxhax0rs posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to waxhax0rs [9s Qs]
hulldog calls 20
waxhax0rs checks
*** FLOP *** [Qh 8c Kc]
waxhax0rs bets 50
hulldog calls 50
*** TURN *** [Qh 8c Kc] [Td]
waxhax0rs checks
hulldog checks
*** RIVER *** [Qh 8c Kc Td] [As]
waxhax0rs checks
hulldog checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
waxhax0rs shows [9s Qs] a pair of Queens
hulldog shows [Jd 7c] a straight, Ace high
hulldog wins the pot (180) with a straight, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 180 | Rake 0
Board: [Qh 8c Kc Td As]
Seat 1: hulldog (small blind) showed [Jd 7c] and won (180) with a straight, Ace high
Seat 2: waxhax0rs (big blind) showed [9s Qs] and lost with a pair of Queens
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Old Jul 23, 2007, 2:26am   #8
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gotta laugh at them wax. terrible play.


What do you guys think of this?

History: we played about 40 hands so far and never saw a flop after a 3bet. we didn't see many flops in general, partially due to him being very aggressive. Dunno if it helps, but all of his bets have been pot sized, he never bet/raised less than pot.


NL BB $1
Seat 4: Bubbleboy ($137.30 in chips)
Seat 6: FRANKO180575 ($122.95 in chips)

FRANKO180575 posts blind ($.5), Bubbleboy posts blind ($1).

Bubbleboy is dealt AA in BB.

PRE-FLOP
FRANKO180575 raises to $3,
Bubbleboy calls $2.

FLOP [board cards Kh,10h,8c ]
Bubbleboy bets $4.50,
FRANKO180575 raises to $15,
Bubbleboy calls $10.50.

TURN [board cards Kh,10h,8c,5c ]
Bubbleboy checks,
FRANKO180575 checks.

RIVER [board cards Kh,10h,8c,5c,7c ]
Bubbleboy bets $28
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Old Jul 23, 2007, 3:08am   #9
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I think you were lucky that you got action HU when you had AA I do think you let him have a free card on the turn that you shouldnt have. He raised on a draw heavy board, meaning he could have any pair or draw out there, none of which are ahead of you (sets are possible, but I dont think they are a big enough part of his range to think you might be behind here). So I think you should bet the turn either for value or to avoid giving the free card. Other than that, considering your history, I think you played it fine. 3betting AA is standard and would let you know if any of the sets on board were in his range, but as you said he probably wasnt giving you action on your 3 bet.


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Question: Do you guys thinks headsup cash games are much better than hu STTs? I'm thinking the answer is yes but I'm just wondering what people think. I'd love to play HU for cash instead of tourney's with the rising blinds and such. Unfortunately the lowest HU games Full Tilt has are 100NL and I'm just now trying to bridge from 2 dol STT to 5 dol STT.
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