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Old Dec 26, 2007, 6:44am   #1
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Cold-caller took a long time before he finally called so I figured he'd be outta here after the 3bet. Couple of notes on villain (hendrix blues):

8xBB UTG w/ 99, QQ
minbets weak, air or draw

He was 64/17/1 (passive preflop but fairly aggressive postflop; stationy, will call with most draws, etc etc.)

To be honest I didn't even see that he had been raising as much as his stats said. I'd only really noticed him make 2 big raises and show them when ppl folded (as seen in my notes). I don't know what his normal raise was. I didn't suspect he 77+ because of the differing raise size but who knows. Maybe he knocks down his raises with AA/KK to get more callers, I don't know.

FullTiltPoker Game #4626810122: Table Paul (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:50:29 ET - 2007/12/26
Seat 1: kovin ($22)
Seat 2: v8bogan ($46.60)
Seat 3: ArdyJay ($24.75)
Seat 4: waxhax0rs ($25)
Seat 5: Lippy14 ($11.30)
Seat 6: hendrix blues ($92.50)
ArdyJay posts the small blind of $0.10
waxhax0rs posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to waxhax0rs [Jd Js]
Lippy14 folds
hendrix blues raises to $1
kovin has 15 seconds left to act
kovin calls $1
v8bogan folds
ArdyJay folds
waxhax0rs has 15 seconds left to act
waxhax0rs has requested TIME
waxhax0rs raises to $4.50

I really really really hate this spot. I expect him to cold-call or raise most of the time (he's probably not folding). If he cold calls, most boards suck ass. Even rag boards suck ass because I'm going to have a hard time folding an overpair vs this guy. His range is probably reasonable though, since he's raising 17% of his hands which is close to what I probably do. Am I getting it in if he 4bets here preflop? I think I can eliminate 99-QQ type hands but this is a tough spot imo because these players are not always as consistent as you want them to be.

Here's what I'm thinking -

Preflop: get it in if he 4bets
Flop: cbet/fold shitty boards??? He's folding a reasonable amount postflop on the flop if he has nothing (fold to flop bet % is ~50%). The problem is that he either has a purr or big cards so he's hitting a lot of big card flops. Am I getting it in on small card flops? IDK if he's paying me off with worse since we don't think he had 99-QQ.

Sorry for being wordy but this spot is difficult most of the time IMO.
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Old Dec 26, 2007, 7:41am   #2
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If you opt to 3bet preflop you usually have to go with your hand on a raggy board. If you don't want to go broke with JJ unimproved you can't really 3bet preflop.

In fact I like flatting JJ there and 3betting 22-66. Although JJ is really on the edge.
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If you opt to 3bet preflop you usually have to go with your hand on a raggy board. If you don't want to go broke with JJ unimproved you can't really 3bet preflop.

In fact I like flatting JJ there and 3betting 22-66. Although JJ is really on the edge.

Thats NL200 thinking though. If you have no history then the reraise calling range will be a lot tighter against a hand like JJ. The fact is though that there are a lot of bad players in nl25 who will call with there whole range of hands so if the flop comes raggy go broke and if you lose its a cooler.
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yeah, if you 3bet you usually go with it unimproved. Though JJ is not that often the best hand ui when your opponent is willing to stack off. With QQ you can stack AJ on Jxx, but with JJ you can only really stack lower overpairs, which are unlikely to be in there anyway.
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