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Old Jan 09, 2008, 3:59pm   #1
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didnt want to hijack the ron paul thread so i decided to make a new thread to ask my american friends here a simple question.

Q: Do some people in america rly believe in intelligent design? i mean like politicians or other people that get time on big tv stations to talk about that? if yes, does the audience laugh their asses off? because i'm quite sure that would happen in europe. i mean wtf? srsly that is something that is very hard to understand for a eurodonk like me.
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Old Jan 09, 2008, 5:51pm   #2
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I don't have the numbers, a large percentage of our population believes in a living Christ, a large percentage believes in creationism. Intelligent design is a pretty new concept. I can go with it. The idea that everything just sorted itself out like this without a guiding hand is preposterous to a large percentage of the American population if not a majority.
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Old Jan 09, 2008, 5:58pm   #3
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ok. thx for the reply.

oh and to clarify this. i didnt want to be offensive its just we dont have that discussion here. i mean a lot of ppls here are atheists anyway and i guess religous ppl in europe just dont take the bible so literal. so most are fine with beliving in god without questioning science.
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Old Jan 09, 2008, 6:02pm   #4
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What I don't understand is why so few people give any credence to a middle ground between creationism and pure evolution, interventionism - the idea that there is a 'god' who did not literally create the present world 4,000 years ago or whatever it says exactly in the bible, but that is an 'original cause' which sets in motion the processes correctly identified in science (i.e. evolution).

One of the problems that science cannot solve is the idea of the first mover. Logical/rationalist attempts to solve this issue date back to Plato/Aristotle and other ancient philosophers, but the fact remains that reason dictates that a chain of caused events requires an initial cause.
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Old Jan 09, 2008, 6:22pm   #5
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I have a question for evolutionist or natural selectionists. Given that survival indicates superiority (is that right?) then will future generations conclude (rightfully?) that whites were weak and passed out of the gene pool by the infallable selection of nature.

Given the low birth rates of whites and the exponitial degree to which mixing has occured I can't see the link between the relative races and their outcomes, at least in terms of natural selection and its rules.

Or do you folks simply rationalize this on the false flag that color among sapiens is insignificant and not a special divider?
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Old Jan 09, 2008, 6:24pm   #6
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To me, if you look at the vastness of the universe, the idea that there's a god that created us in his image is not just ridiculously absurd, it's rather arrogant.

But I think the Atheists are a touch arrogant themselves claiming that there simply is *not* a higher power. I'm actually agnostic. I figure we'll never understand what started everything, and we should be ok with that.
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Old Jan 09, 2008, 6:33pm   #7
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jimmy I don't really know what you're trying to say in your post at all.

What does "I can't see the link between the relative races and their outcomes," mean??


Also +1 on this (for the most part):

"To me, if you look at the vastness of the universe, the idea that there's a god that created us in his image is not just ridiculously absurd, it's rather arrogant.

But I think the Atheists are a touch arrogant themselves claiming that there simply is *not* a higher power. I'm actually agnostic. I figure we'll never understand what started everything, and we should be ok with that."
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Old Jan 09, 2008, 6:43pm   #8
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2MM is going to ban me again (unjustly obv) so let me make this quick.

You have three groups of bugs, one white, one black, one brown. A common predator eradicates two of the species, the white and black but the brown survives because it was better able to hide in their mostly brown environment. The brown survived because of evolution (natural selection) right?

In humans, whites have obv been dominate and others have survived only by the quality of white mercy only to seen the white race being bred out of existence. So, how does natural selection play into this? Can we say that relative capabilities mattered or not?

This is you know not happening because all females are choosing black or brown males (many do) but the decreasing birth rate among whites is by choice. So, are we seeing the death of the white race by natural selection or modern election and is this representative of evolution?
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I think you know the answers to these questions.
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Old Jan 09, 2008, 6:59pm   #10
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I don't really and just wondered how evolutionists see this.
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