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Old Jan 13, 2008, 8:52am   #1
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What do you guys think is more profitable?

I always get value out of my high cards preflop and I hate letting my hand go over a poor flop and my question is this...

You jam the pot preflop with AKs KQs QJs and nothing hits flop. Just middle cards. So....your opponent is loose. He bets with maybe a middle pair or nothing at all.

Should you fold?
Call down to see turn and then fold river if nothing hits?
Call down to see turn and call river if nothing hits turn?


What about if its a tight player and he bets at you?
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Old Jan 13, 2008, 8:54am   #2
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It depends.
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Old Jan 13, 2008, 9:26am   #3
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As mentioned before, it depends.
If its HU, Villain thinks you are a tight rock and he is able to fold you could raise in position the Flop in order to get fold equity on the turn or to get a free SD.
You have to mix it up.

As a general rule:
I would nearly never fold the flop if i have raised preflop with overcards just because someone donks in HU.
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Old Jan 13, 2008, 12:05pm   #4
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If you've raised pre flop and get donked into, you're usually getting about 6.5:1 anyway (5.5 SB's flop and his bet), which is what you are to hit one of your 6 outs if you have overcards. So I usually call or raise, depending on player, and see if I pick up any other draws on the turn. If I still don't have any draws apart from hitting one of my cards, you can usually fold UI to a turn bet as you won't be getting the odds just to hit an overcard (unless you raised flop of course, then bet if checked to).

Of course it's player dependant, if you think another play might get him to fold then do that, but at lower stakes usually just stick to playing your hand for what it is.
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Old Jan 13, 2008, 12:26pm   #5
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Depends very much on how drawy the baord is becasue it's a common practice now for OOP players to donk out flush draws and weak pairs so depending on players type and board texture I may go all the way to SD with A-High.

But for someone just starting out I'd stick with the advice given and peel the flop and give up UI on the turn unless teh guy starts making a habit of it.
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I would always call here. If someone has two pair, they're more likely to try and check/raise you than they are to bet out, so the better probably only has one pair and you have good enough odds to call with your 6 outs. It also makes good sense to raise here and see if you can't buy yourself a half-priced river card. Either way, be prepared to fold on the turn if it's another blank and your opponent bets out again.
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