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Old Feb 12, 2008, 12:51am   #11
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Yeah, I have this weird tendency of winning easy money when it is presented on a silver platter. Maybe you guys will string along your opponents until they draw out on you, which is what happened in this instance, to chase your idea of some ideal +EV situation you read about in some book somehwhere. I don't. Maybe that's why I haven't quit my day job? I simply don't trust the "random" number generators of online poker and so take down every pot I can. Maybe it's tinfoil hat wearing, small pot poker playing, but it works for me.

I am in disbelief that anyone would suggest allowing an opponent to go after their draw in the hopes of them missing so you can make a bigger score, only to have them hit and you lose. I don't subscribe to the notion of "well if I do that everytime I win 60%", or something of that nature. If I do what I do I win almost every time regardless of "the value I missed out on." Go ahead and destroy me for such "bad" advice but in this instance your advice stinks. He doesn't even have top set and gets drawn out upon. Again I say that he didn't play it bad, only that in retrospect if you are looking to avoid the outcome you take it down with your set with a draw on the board.

Maybe I have been playing scared, as you say, losing with trips a few times lately so play my trips aggressively. Oh well? I won my first stud Hi tourney last night so am confident that I am doing something right in the poker arena. And who is to say that the villian doesn't call a bigger bet anyway? If he does then I have suggested the right play, and when he still gets outdrawn you can tell me how I put too much at risk with only trips against a flush board.

I simply suggested what I would do. There is no single right or wrong way to play any hand, but to some people only their advice can be proper and all else is bunk.
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Old Feb 12, 2008, 1:34am   #12
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Yeah, I have this weird tendency of winning easy money when it is presented on a silver platter. <--- congratulations, you have successfully completed the single easiest aspect of poker, winning easy money when it's handed to you? Kudos to you sir.

Maybe you guys will string along your opponents until they draw out on you, which is what happened in this instance, to chase your idea of some ideal +EV situation you read about in some book somehwhere. <--- yep, there's some crazyass shit in poker books written by established world reknown winning players. Crrrazy shit.

Maybe that's why I haven't quit my day job? <--- Wise choice. Quitting your day job because you suck at poker isn't the best move.

I simply don't trust the "random" number generators of online poker and so take down every pot I can. Maybe it's tinfoil hat wearing, small pot poker playing, but it works for me. <--- A loaded gun works for a guy wanting to kill himself so I can see your reasoning here.

I am in disbelief that anyone would suggest allowing an opponent to go after their draw in the hopes of them missing so you can make a bigger score, only to have them hit and you lose. I don't subscribe to the notion of "well if I do that everytime I win 60%", <--- Maths is such a silly concept in poker. Quite clearly the wisest decision is to ignore it completely

If I do what I do I win almost every time regardless of "the value I missed out on." <--- This value you're missing out on is why you haven't quit your day job.

Go ahead and destroy me for such "bad" advice <--- Well only because you requested it. STOP GIVING PEOPLE POKER ADVICE YOU RETARD!!!!!!!

but in this instance your advice stinks. He doesn't even have top set and gets drawn out upon. Again I say that he didn't play it bad, only that in retrospect if you are looking to avoid the outcome you take it down with your set with a draw on the board.

Maybe I have been playing scared, as you say, losing with trips a few times lately so play my trips aggressively. Oh well? I won my first stud Hi tourney last night so am confident that I am doing something right in the poker arena. <--- Come on Axis admit it. You were sat in a room by yourself playing HU.

And who is to say that the villian doesn't call a bigger bet anyway? If he does then I have suggested the right play, and when he still gets outdrawn you can tell me how I put too much at risk with only trips against a flush board.

I simply suggested what I would do. There is no single right or wrong way to play any hand <--- Yes there is

but to some people only their advice can be proper and all else is bunk. <--- You
Listen to Axis, he makes perfect sense 100% of the time!!
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Old Feb 12, 2008, 1:38am   #13
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Yeah, I have this weird tendency of winning easy money when it is presented on a silver platter. Maybe you guys will string along your opponents until they draw out on you, which is what happened in this instance, to chase your idea of some ideal +EV situation you read about in some book somehwhere. I don't. Maybe that's why I haven't quit my day job? I simply don't trust the "random" number generators of online poker and so take down every pot I can. Maybe it's tinfoil hat wearing, small pot poker playing, but it works for me.

I am in disbelief that anyone would suggest allowing an opponent to go after their draw in the hopes of them missing so you can make a bigger score, only to have them hit and you lose. I don't subscribe to the notion of "well if I do that everytime I win 60%", or something of that nature. If I do what I do I win almost every time regardless of "the value I missed out on." Go ahead and destroy me for such "bad" advice but in this instance your advice stinks. He doesn't even have top set and gets drawn out upon. Again I say that he didn't play it bad, only that in retrospect if you are looking to avoid the outcome you take it down with your set with a draw on the board.

Maybe I have been playing scared, as you say, losing with trips a few times lately so play my trips aggressively. Oh well? I won my first stud Hi tourney last night so am confident that I am doing something right in the poker arena. And who is to say that the villian doesn't call a bigger bet anyway? If he does then I have suggested the right play, and when he still gets outdrawn you can tell me how I put too much at risk with only trips against a flush board.

I simply suggested what I would do. There is no single right or wrong way to play any hand, but to some people only their advice can be proper and all else is bunk.

Well, I may be misunderstanding what you wrote here; if I am, I apologize. A couple quick things though.

1. "And who is to say that the villian doesn't call a bigger bet anyway? If he does then I have suggested the right play, and when he still gets outdrawn you can tell me how I put too much at risk with only trips against a flush board."

Well of course after the hand, when we see our opponent's hand, it is rather easy to see what would have been the most profitable play in that particular instance. I am not sure that helps us much though, since we can't make decisions based on that information until after the hand is over.

2. "Maybe you guys will string along your opponents until they draw out on you, which is what happened in this instance, to chase your idea of some ideal +EV situation you read about in some book somehwhere."

And

"If I do what I do I win almost every time regardless of "the value I missed out on."

Except most of the time they won't draw out on us. Just to give an example, using round numbers that I just pulled completely out of my ass. Would you rather wager $100 to win $1000 with a 60% chance to win it, or wager $100 to win $100 with a 100% chance to win it?

Why are you so concerned with how often you win?

3. "I simply don't trust the "random" number generators of online poker and so take down every pot I can."

If the random number generators are out to get you, why would they flop you a set to begin with? Were I an evil random number generator out to get you, I can think of a lot better ways to get you then that.

4. "...only that in retrospect if you are looking to avoid the outcome you take it down with your set with a draw on the board.

Again though, it is very easy to play properly in retrospect once we know our opponent's hand and the cards to come. Without a time machine though, how is that useful to us during the hand?

Anyways, perhaps I am just a donk, I don't know. I thought the hand was played out just fine though. The thing about poker is you can play a hand perfectly and still lose. If that weren't the case, why would poor players play?
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Old Feb 12, 2008, 3:52am   #14
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hahaha to the last 2 people who actually took time to respond to the load of crap Axis posted.

I think its fairly obvious that after the very nice ' I dont trust RNG of online poker', one can only continue to read for entertainment value.
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Old Feb 12, 2008, 3:57am   #15
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hahaha.... I took my own advice and read it again for entertainment value. Seriously, it looks like a bunch of classic quotes from total fishes who think they got it figured it out and tell you their view on poker in live casinos.
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Wow, G6A handed out a nice dish of ownage there.
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Old Feb 12, 2008, 4:32pm   #17
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Well it seems like he doesn't undestand some basics of poker...
His advices here were just bad and the others were right (at least in my opinion) to answer drastically.
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Old Feb 12, 2008, 10:19pm   #18
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Well the @$$hole resurfaces to do what he does best, and Gus, well, Gus is just Gus.
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Old Feb 14, 2008, 2:32pm   #19
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to chase your idea of some ideal +EV situation you read about in some book somehwhere.

I don't subscribe to the notion of "well if I do that everytime I win 60%", or something of that nature.
More than 1700 posts on a poker forum and you still don't understand (or care about) EV. I can only conclude, Axis, that you are a poker Luddite.

For those of you unfamiliar with British history, the Luddites were a group of textile workers that protested against the changes produced by the Industrial Revoultion. While everyone else was busy embracing new technology and exploiting new skills, the Luddites went about destroying machinery and protesting about how unfair it all was. In the end their protest movement was overcome through a series of executions and deportations. Not that I'm suggesting that happens to Axis.
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Old Feb 14, 2008, 6:06pm   #20
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I've only been playing NL micro's for 2 months, and even I can say: Axis you chat a load of crap.

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If I do what I do I win almost every time regardless of "the value I missed out on." <--- This value you're missing out on is why you haven't quit your day job.
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