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Old Mar 09, 2008, 4:56pm   #1
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Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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CO: $13.35
BTN: $19.95
SB: $15.85
BB: $25
UTG: $21.45
Hero (MP): $25.90

Pre-Flop: K T dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.50, BB folds, UTG calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.75) T 7 K (3 Players)
SB checks, UTG bets $2.75, Hero calls $2.75, SB folds

Turn: ($7.25) 3 (2 Players)
UTG bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75

River: ($14.75) 4 (2 Players)
UTG bets $3.25, Hero calls $3.25

Results: $21.25 Pot ($1 Rake)
UTG showed 8 K (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$10.25 NET)
Hero showed K T (two pair, Kings and Tens) and WON $20.25 (+$10 NET)

This was one of my first hands at the table. The table had a very high average pot and high VPIPs. The villain is a LAG donk.
I am actually not sure about my play. He massively overbetted on the flop that's why I just smooth called. Then he fires two more relatively big bets. Was calling down the right play or should I raise somewhere in the hand?
I thought about raising but I was really a bit afraid of a set since the board wasn't drawy or something.
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Old Mar 09, 2008, 5:49pm   #2
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Yeah, you should raise this hand. Any street.
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Old Mar 09, 2008, 6:00pm   #3
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I'd analyse it as follows (and perhaps thanks to this I'd play it worse than you):

The overbet on the flop indicates to me that he probably doesn't have something as strong as a set. There are a few straightdraws possible, but it's not so drawheavy that you would want to bet someone out of the pot like this. Moreover, he's UTG, so perhaps he would even have slowplayed or check-raised the set.
So, that would leave a semi-bluf or a protective bet of a weak TP (perhaps easy for me to say as you've showed the end of the hand).
I think a call and re-evaluate on the turn is the right move.

The turn-bet is a weak bet. Only a little bit more than his flopbet and this time only aprox 1/2 potsized. He would have bet more if he had a set. A $5-$6 is likely as it would leave a potsized all-in on the river. The semi-bluf is still possible, as he would get some odds by betting only 1/2 pot.
I think I'd raise the turn and evaluate his bet as a weak bet (perhaps to prevent you floating him).

On the river no draws hit, so you have the best hand as long as your opponent doesn't have the set. He bets extremely weak, even less than on the turn. A pls-call-me-bet? I don't think so: a failed draw won't call anything, so he would have bet more. I'd raise for sure.

That's what I would do, but you'd rather hope for a better player to answer this than me.
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Old Mar 09, 2008, 6:13pm   #4
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I really hate the hand! I don't think I can raise the flop...
The turn and river bets seemed very strange too me and I really thought they cried: "Please raise it up!" I actually called a total overbet on the flop so if I were the villain I would think that I am probably strong. So let's bet out small on the next street and he will raise it up and I can get it in.
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Old Mar 09, 2008, 6:54pm   #5
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Loder, I think you're overanalyzing your opponent here!

His betsizing clearly indicates that he's a donk and you should just raise for value. Flop call is ok, but i'd definitely raise both turn and river
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wow wtf

2 more big bets ?!

Thats one the the weakest hand Ive seen in a long while.How is a 1/5 PSB big by any standard ?
Since when you want to pot control against an aggro donk with top 2?

Read all strategy articles here, your poker is probably lacking a LOT of very concepts, like raising non nuts hands for value, or lag donks cant have a set when you have top 2.
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Old Mar 09, 2008, 7:06pm   #7
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Raise, Raise, Raise, Raise, Raise, Raise.

I know I just said Raise 6 Streets and there's only 4, but I wanted you to get the point.
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I really hate the hand! I don't think I can raise the flop...
The turn and river bets seemed very strange too me and I really thought they cried: "Please raise it up!" I actually called a total overbet on the flop so if I were the villain I would think that I am probably strong. So let's bet out small on the next street and he will raise it up and I can get it in.
sorry man but every words of this are so wrong it made me when to cry when I read them.

The only reason you ''''''cant'''''' raise flop is because you look very strong, not because he can have a set. VERY rare are the players overbetting flops with sets lol. like never.
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sorry man but every words of this are so wrong it made me when to cry when I read them.
yeah lodder go hit the wall <-----is that rigth guys?
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I would definitely agree with the people above. You played the hand way too passively. The way he was raising he probably had top pair with a good kicker. You could have made a lot more money off of him
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