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Old Mar 29, 2008, 10:39pm   #1
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PokerStars Game #16343589785: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/03/29 - 17:33:32 (ET)
Table 'Arkab' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: SteveL91 ($125.60 in chips)
Seat 2: korolik ($182.65 in chips)
Seat 4: GIFITOME ($60 in chips)
Seat 5: OCVI2003 ($127.60 in chips)
Seat 6: Ezsaias ($98 in chips)
SteveL91: posts small blind $0.50
korolik: posts big blind $1
GIFITOME: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to OCVI2003 [9c Kd Ac Th]
GIFITOME: checks
OCVI2003: calls $1
Ezsaias: folds
SteveL91: folds
korolik: raises $2 to $3
GIFITOME: calls $2
OCVI2003: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Jd 6s 8c]
crazyat16 joins the table at seat #3
korolik: checks
GIFITOME: bets $9.05
OCVI2003: calls $9.05
korolik: calls $9.05
*** TURN *** [Jd 6s 8c] [4c]
korolik: checks
GIFITOME: bets $34.85
OCVI2003: calls $34.85
korolik: folds
*** RIVER *** [Jd 6s 8c 4c] [Jc]
GIFITOME: bets $13.10 and is all-in
OCVI2003: calls $13.10
*** SHOW DOWN ***
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Old Mar 29, 2008, 11:40pm   #2
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Honestly I can fold that hand everywhere but the river.
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Old Mar 30, 2008, 12:57am   #3
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Preflop is okay. Please explain the flop and turn.
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Old Mar 30, 2008, 11:33am   #4
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Pretty lose call after the flop imo unless you have any reads on him
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Old Mar 30, 2008, 12:45pm   #5
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As discussed in the IRC room

Flop is a fold. I did some aided number crunching on 3-way flops after we discussed it and you're almost never getting odds to call pot 3-way there.

As played Turn is a snap call and river is the river, you've hit(ish) and are getting eleventy-billion to 1.
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Old Mar 30, 2008, 1:08pm   #6
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River is a call for sure.

Flop is a Fold unless You have reads and therefor huge implied odds I guess (You dont close the action, its only 2 way when ts Your turn).

Turn is a Fold I guess. You have 6 Str8-Outs and 7-9 FlushOuts (depends if Villain makes a full house when board pairs with a flush card). I dont think You are good here at the end with Top Pair so I cant see more Outs here.

13-15 Outs means Something like 1:3-1:2. With the money Villain has left You have only 1:2.4 so You need 30% chance of winning it plus a 100% chance to get Villain all in if You hit the river (which is OK here I guess). But 30% is 15 Outs and thats the top of Your chances so in the best case You are EV = 0 and higher variance.

Its early in the morning over here so maybe I miscalculated it. I am kind of surprised because Boomer said its a snapcall so maybe there is something wrong in my math...

BTW: I dont think there is a big chance that the 3. player stays in the hand on the turn after Hero calls....
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Old Mar 30, 2008, 1:34pm   #7
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Gerrir, i'm just basically quoting verbatim from discussing this hand with a mate of mine who's played PLO for about 5 years and regularly plays middle stakes.

Bascailly his opinion was that on the flop your range is from "Just about odds to call" to "Totally F***ed". He showed me a few simulations where TWLLM's equity actually went as low as 18% 3-way depending on the 2 hands he was up against. (Also the potenetial for being a 72/28 dog on the flop HU is there too...but more likely it's between 65/35 and 60/40 heads up in the bettors favour)

We didn't discuss the turn, he just said it was a call and we mainly discussed the flop since, in his opinion, he shouldn't have got to the turn
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Old Mar 30, 2008, 6:30pm   #8
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How about raise preflop
Bet/fold the flop
Commit yourself on the turn
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How about raise preflop
Bet/fold the flop
Commit yourself on the turn
Make so much sense.

TWLLM start palying omaha more like holdem raising more instead of calling and folding more instead of calling

-i know little about omaha-
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[/i]We didn't discuss the turn, he just said it was a call and we mainly discussed the flop since, in his opinion, he shouldn't have got to the turn
Yeah thats right. As I said I would have folded the flop also unless I have a good read. Anyway there is no need to throw away good money on the turn just because we invested bad one on the flop isnt it?

And even with hitting a good card to a combo draw the potsized bet on the turn makes it a fold imo...
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