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Old Apr 03, 2008, 11:06pm   #11
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I'd probably fold against an unknown englishman... I raise all in if he was from sweden. Seriously

It is pretty close though since people love to overplay top two so you could be freerolling him a decent amount. I would also assume an unknown is loose bad and will have 33 alot and will also overplay that which isnt the end of the world

I doubt he has a wrap + nut flush draw since he limped behind in position so he shouldnt have a AsJs108 type hand. And you are nicely ahead of any quality draw like KxJs10s8x (which he should be pushing) where you have the higher flush draw

But you only have $5 invested and the "dont go broke in unraised pots" applies to omaha as well. I agree you should wait to get a better idea of how he plays. Again - if he was swedish all in
Right, if he was Swedish or Finnish I wouldn't have posted the hand, it would have been so obvious. Your analysis is spot on imo Joey, especially concerning the wrap potential. I thought he might have a wrap, but very unlikely to have a wrap plus an over-flushdraw.

But at my levels, the "european-ness" of British players is enough to make this a shove imo. That's why I included it (that's a response to you as well, Sid). Against an american I probably fold this, just because Americans tend not to overplay draws and semibluff themselves retarded (like Europeans/Brits) and only overplay made hands, which in this case crushes me most of the time, or is a race (occasionally a freeroll).

So I pushed on him. My read was right, he had AT8x with three spades for the nut flush draw. His total out count against my hand - 9, less redraws. And he's in pretty much the best spot he could be against my push. So in it went. How he didn't fold is beyond me... until I remember where he's from.

Of course, he hit. I think in retrospect this is a fold, not because I didn't make a correct read and smoke this eurodonk for equity, but because there is apparently a giant trans-euro luckbox operating probably somewhere off the coast of norway, such that it's able to reach not only Scandinavia but Britain (especially SSTA's house ). I literally haven't faded a naked flush draw from a european player in like 20 straight tries, over about 2.5 to 3 weeks. LOL! But I don't play every day, so what can you do?

But in all seriousness, I think the play was marginal but correct. I neglected to mention (and others didn't either) that there was a good deal of dead money in the pot. This means that if I'm up against a slightly stronger hand (33 for example, or some combo draw aside from a super wrap nfd combo) the play is still correct for value.
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Old Apr 04, 2008, 9:19am   #12
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Interesting really and makes me want to do a series of Stud posts showing how Asians play differently from USA and Europeans, especially the Changle Gang.
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