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Old May 02, 2008, 1:29am   #11
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Give credit to nits. Theyre not representing monsters when they bet big.

If the good players on your tables play 18/12, it should be very easy to win. Pretty standard downswing.
Everybody plays a hand like a retard once in a while and everyone get some coolers, it doesnt matter.
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Old May 02, 2008, 1:36am   #12
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BTW could you post a similar graph for you $100 NL hands if you have them?
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Old May 02, 2008, 1:38am   #13
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Where did you get that 4k loss in pots that don't go to showdown, Ishbu?

Does that mean that I go deep into pots and then escape on the turn or river when the going gets too tough?
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How the hell is that even possible? Gawd, you shorthand spewbots make my head get scratched.
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Old May 02, 2008, 1:45am   #15
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Here's the NL100 graph.

http://users.tkk.fi/mluttine/NL100_Sklansky.png
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Where did you get that 4k loss in pots that don't go to showdown, Ishbu?

Does that mean that I go deep into pots and then escape on the turn or river when the going gets too tough?
The Green Line is your total winnings. The Red Line is your Skalansky Bucks and the Blue Line are your Showdown winnings. So you are up roughly $2500 in pots that went to showdown but down about $1800 overall. So you take the -1800 minus 2500 and you get -$4300. That his how much you are down in pots that don't go to showdown.

I think you are folding too much in the early streets and calling to much in the later streets. This also shows that you are very weak postflop.
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In that graph you ran way above EV. You were running 25 buy-ins above EV. But you were still losing way too much in pots that did not go to showdown. Do you have more in depth stats, like Flop, Turn, and River aggression. There is a lot of work to be done here, hopefully you do not take offense to that statement.
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How the hell is that even possible? Gawd, you shorthand spewbots make my head get scratched.
You should try it sometime. It allows you to spew off money and not feel so bad about it while making more in rakeback (well less FPP's if you play on Pokerstars) and overall winrate at the table.
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In that graph you ran way above EV. You were running 25 buy-ins above EV.
How do you see that?

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But you were still losing way too much in pots that did not go to showdown.
If I play post-flop "correctly", my showdown winnings should approximately equal my total winnings?

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Do you have more in depth stats, like Flop, Turn, and River aggression.
Check the pdf file in my original post.

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There is a lot of work to be done here, hopefully you do not take offense to that statement.
Not at all, although it's sad to hear my good run in NL100 was mostly good luck. I greatly appreciate all the advice you're giving me here.
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How do you see that?

If I play post-flop "correctly", my showdown winnings should approximately equal my total winnings?

Check the pdf file in my original post.

Not at all, although it's sad to hear my good run in NL100 was mostly good luck. I greatly appreciate all the advice you're giving me here.
Notice how in the first graph (the $200NL) the red line is above the blue line. That means that your hands had a showdown value of $4250 but only got $2600 in return. But in the second graph (the $100NL) the blue line is now above the red line. Meaning that your hands had a showdown value of $6200 but you got $8600 in return.

The green line should under normal circumstance be the highest line of the three. A good player should be winning more in non-showdown pots then he is losing. Not saying you are not a good player but saying for you to get to the next level your postflop play needs a lot of improvement.
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