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Old Jun 06, 2008, 3:25pm   #1
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Default NL50 sh / AK 3 Bet, no hit, Turnplay

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
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Stacks:
UTG dillul34 ($37.22)
UTG+1 WadeAP ($60.10)
CO Izaaa ($46.75) / 26/9/6,67 über 81 Hände
BTN SoSick_84 ($95.93)
SB TheVisitor ($49.00)
BB Hero ($87.60)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BB
2 folds, Izaaa raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $6.25, Izaaa calls $4.25

Flop: ($12.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $9, Izaaa calls $9

Turn: ($30.75, 2 players)


Bis zum Turn ok so?
Ab Turn c/f oder?
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Old Jun 06, 2008, 3:28pm   #2
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ja, sehe hier nix mehr gegen das du FE hast
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glaub nicht dass es irgendwo ansatzweise close ist

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Old Jun 06, 2008, 5:45pm   #4
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Geht mir auch drum obs ok ist am Flop zu betten? Macht ihr auf jedem Board ne Cbet nach einer 3Bet preflop oop?

Sind ja Situationen die durchaus öfter vorkommen und man am Turn oft die Hand aufgeben muss.
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Old Jun 06, 2008, 5:53pm   #5
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Also einfach immer cbetten macht wohl wenig Sinn aber das Board hier ist doch ziemlich gut dafuer.
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Old Jun 06, 2008, 9:13pm   #6
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du foldest alle setmine pairs raus, sowie sc. ansonsten 4 outs auf die nuts und 6 outs auf showdown value, und es is nen klasse cbet.
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Old Jun 07, 2008, 3:46am   #7
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Villain und Board sind hier perfekt für einen ch-rai all-in am flop imo.

Seine pf raising-range ist hier ziemlich wide (auch wenn er nur 9% raised, hat er eine große range auf dem CO when folded to) und seine pf calling range auch, da er position hat und du deinen blind mit zahlreichen händen verteidigen könntest.

Sagen wir mal:
22+,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,AJo+,KJo+,QJo,J To

Das sind 16,1 % aller Hände. Um die Rechnung zu vereinfachen, sagen wir dass er alle hände betten wird, wenn wir zu ihm checken. Das stimmt zwar nicht ganz, aber kommt der Wahrheit schon sehr nahe, so aggro wie er ist, und fast jede hand seiner range kann mit dem flop was anfangen und entweder valuebetten oder semi-bluffen.

Sagen wir, er bettet 9$. Mit welchen Händen called er einen push?
Sagen wir mal:

JJ+,AQs,AhJh,AhTh,KQs,KTs,QJs,QhTh,T9s,9h8h,AQo,KQ o,QJo

Das sind 6,3% aller Hände und 39% seiner betting range. Wir haben gegen diese Hände eine Equity von 32%.


Genug der Zahlenjongliererei, fassen wir noch mal zusammen:

Er called den push nur in 39 % der Fälle wenn er bettet. Sollte er callen, gewinnen wir 32% der Pötte gegen seine Range.

D.h. in 61 % der Fälle gewinnen wir einen großen Pot (2*6.25 Preflop + seine 9$ bet = 21.50$) ohne überhaupt einen showdown zu sehen!

21.50$ in pot
31.50$ for him to call the raise
40.50$ cost of our raise

Wie oft gewinnen wir das Geld im Pot?
0.39 * 0.32 + 0.61 = 0.735 (fälle wo er called * fälle wo wir gewinnen + fälle wo er folded).

Wie oft gewinnen wir seine 31.50$ die er zum callen reinschieben muss?

0.39 * 0.32 (fälle wo er called * fälle wo wir gewinnen)

Wie oft verlieren wir unsere all-in bet?
0.39 * 0.68 (fälle wo er called * fälle wo wir verlieren)

Nun das ganze in eine Gleichung packen:

(0.735 * 21.50$)
+ (0.39 * 0.32 * 31.50$) - (0.39 * 0.68 * 40.50$)

= +8.99$

Das ganze ist also ein +EV move. Ein weiterer Vorteil ist, dass kaum jemand der Villains das erkennen wird, die meisten halten einen eher für einen Maniac. Man tut also gleichzeitig noch was fürs Image und wird zukünftig lighter gecalled.
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ich hab nix davon gelesen aber crai ist hier extremst grausam
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Old Jun 07, 2008, 4:10am   #9
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ich hab nix davon gelesen aber crai ist hier extremst grausam
jo, wieso solltest du das auch lesen, ist doch eh crap..
und crai ist grausam, aber argumente dafür hast du nicht..
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m die Rechnung zu vereinfachen, sagen wir dass er alle hände betten wird, wenn wir zu ihm checken. Das stimmt zwar nicht ganz, aber kommt der Wahrheit schon sehr nahe, so aggro wie er ist, und fast jede hand seiner range kann mit dem flop was anfangen und entweder valuebetten oder semi-bluffen.

I lol'ed pretty hard


er bet/foldet hier nie. nie. never.
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