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Old Jun 06, 2008, 6:03pm   #1
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Default NL50 sh / JJ, Villain spielt 4Bet push

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG POXER ($94.62)
UTG+1 zawoot ($90.55)
CO Dzulu ($71.40)
BTN SoSick_84 ($48.50)
SB nevermind721 ($104.65)
BB Hero ($50.00)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BB
POXER calls $0.50, 3 folds, nevermind721 raises to $3, Hero raises to $9.50, POXER folds, nevermind721 goes all-in $104.65


Call für 100BB? War erst die 3. Hand am Tisch. Daher keine Stats von Villain. So ein push spielt man ja normal nicht mit einem Monster. Keine Ahnung, call?

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Old Jun 06, 2008, 6:04pm   #2
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Old Jun 06, 2008, 6:11pm   #3
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Wie was wo, wieso spielt man so einen Push nicht mit nem Monster? Soll er hier unbedingt min4betten mit AA oder wie? Ich instafolde dass hier und fertig. Suckt zwar 20 BB mit sowas zu versenken aber naja, gegen unknwons ist mir das zu doof hier zu callen.
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Old Jun 06, 2008, 6:18pm   #4
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Seh ich zumindest öfters dass man mit KK oder AA "normal" 4bettet und mit AK pusht. Aber sicher kann man sich da natürlich nicht sein.
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Old Jun 06, 2008, 6:25pm   #5
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Seh ich zumindest öfters dass man mit KK oder AA "normal" 4bettet und mit AK pusht. Aber sicher kann man sich da natürlich nicht sein.
Sehe ich ich auch oefter mal aber gegen nen unknown ist das nur tortzdem eher geraten und vor allem ist der Spot recht marginal, wenn Villain zu 80% AK hält und zu 20% dann doch JJ+ ist das bestimmt schon nicht mehr +EV, hab aber grad keien Lust das auszurechnen aber ich hoffe mal es stimmt trotzdem
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Mal was anderes. Wenn ich hier QQ halten würde verändert das die Situation preflop doch auch nicht wesentlich oder? Oder callt ihr hier eher mit QQ?
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Old Jun 06, 2008, 6:38pm   #7
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Komm drauf auf was man Villain hir setzt, ich wuerde ne pushing Range defaultmaessig bei AK, JJ+ verorten. Mit QQ hast du auf jeden Fall schonmal ca. 10% mehr equity overall dagegen.
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Sagen wir der Einfachheit halber, er hat entweder AQ+, da haben wir 53 % equity, oder QQ+, da haben wir 20% equity.

[(59,50$ * 0,53) - (40,50$ * 0,47)] * x + [(59,50$ * 0,2) - (40,50$ * 0,8 )] * (1-x) = 0


nach x auflösen

--> x = 0,621 = 62,1 %

d.h. villain muss 62,1 % der Fälle oder öfter AQ+ halten, um das ganze +EV zu machen.

edit: hier wird auch deutlich, wenn wir mit JJ callen, müssen wir obv auch mit 22 callen!
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ist close, aber ich würde callen
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