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Old Jul 02, 2008, 4:07pm   #1
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Default Help I have fallen in love with Razz

The game is seriously plus EV, I am playing above my limit and cashing out 3 or 4 buy ins in under 3 hours. It is so sick that the players are so so so so so bad.

I have fallen in love with this sick degenerate game called Razz, its insane, I have a problem. Help me!

I might even give up Hold em and become a full time Razz cash player, help me people. I clearly am a sick man.
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Old Jul 03, 2008, 12:39am   #2
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Sssshhhhh don't let everyone know.

Seriously - I agree about the bad play (certainly to 2/4), but just be aware that variance is still there as they chase their draw to a 6 against your made 74.

Fortunately it is soooo +EV that even with the variance losing sessions are relatively rare.

I'm currently using Razz to fund my MTT habit -much easier than my old route of NL cash games.
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Honestly, how do you guys pick up hands? I can sit at a razz table all day and not pick up three cards to an 8 (or better) more than once or twice. And when I do, I'll have something like A27 and I will see 3's through 6's all around the table. If I pick a big hand they fold on 4th or I brick at some point. Obviously I ran bad but still, I hate that game so much.
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Honestly, how do you guys pick up hands? I can sit at a razz table all day and not pick up three cards to an 8 (or better) more than once or twice. And when I do, I'll have something like A27 and I will see 3's through 6's all around the table. If I pick a big hand they fold on 4th or I brick at some point. Obviously I ran bad but still, I hate that game so much.
At low levels you need to be aware that many (prob 80%) of players will play with a brick in the hole. Spot the good players and assume that the others have a hidden J until they persuade you otherwise.

I have just had a player cold call 3 bets on 4th with KQ showing (against 74, 8A and 42)- of course he went on to win the hand with a 6 to my 84. This is unusually bad - but only just.

This does mean high variance, but the +EV more than makes up for it.
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Old Jul 06, 2008, 6:38am   #8
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Here is an example of why razz is so plus ev. I should note it was a very loose at the start but look what he is calling down with at the end. Drawing to 10 high and hitting queen high.

Full Tilt Poker Game #7104398355: Table Tamarus - $3/$6 Ante $0.50 - Limit Razz - 1:27:03 ET - 2008/07/06
Seat 1: PARASOFT ($151)
Seat 2: 389527 ($175)
Seat 3: nc319404 ($12.50)
Seat 4: jbrennen ($11
Seat 5: fhatthewuckever ($126.50)
Seat 6: glockers ($119.50)
Seat 7: SG1fan ($46)
Seat 8: DiegoPride ($36)
389527 antes $0.50
SG1fan antes $0.50
DiegoPride antes $0.50
PARASOFT antes $0.50
nc319404 antes $0.50
fhatthewuckever antes $0.50
jbrennen antes $0.50
glockers antes $0.50
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to PARASOFT [2h]
Dealt to 389527 [Kd]
Dealt to nc319404 [Ad]
Dealt to jbrennen [5d]
Dealt to fhatthewuckever [Th]
Dealt to glockers [3c 2s] [9s]
Dealt to SG1fan [6d]
Dealt to DiegoPride [5c]
389527 is high with [Kd]
389527 brings in for $1
nc319404 folds
jbrennen folds
fhatthewuckever folds
glockers completes it to $3
SG1fan folds
DiegoPride folds
PARASOFT raises to $6
389527 folds
glockers calls $3
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to PARASOFT [2h] [Ts]
Dealt to glockers [3c 2s 9s] [Ks]
PARASOFT bets $3
glockers calls $3
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to PARASOFT [2h Ts] [2d]
Dealt to glockers [3c 2s 9s Ks] [Js]
glockers bets $6
PARASOFT raises to $12
glockers calls $6
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to PARASOFT [2h Ts 2d] [2c]
Dealt to glockers [3c 2s 9s Ks Js] [4c]
glockers bets $6
PARASOFT calls $6
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to glockers [3c 2s 9s Ks Js 4c] [3d]
glockers bets $6
PARASOFT calls $6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
glockers shows [3d 3c 9s Ks Js 4c 2s] J,9,4,3,2
PARASOFT mucks
glockers wins the pot ($6 with J,9,4,3,2
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $71 | Rake $3
Seat 1: PARASOFT mucked [Qc 8c 2h Ts 2d 2c Ah] - Q,T,8,2,A
Seat 2: 389527 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 3: nc319404 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 4: jbrennen folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: fhatthewuckever folded on 3rd St.
Seat 6: glockers showed [3d 3c 9s Ks Js 4c 2s] and won ($6 with J,9,4,3,2
Seat 7: SG1fan folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: DiegoPride folded on 3rd St.
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Old Jul 06, 2008, 6:51am   #9
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LOL that is definitely an example of how bad people are at razz.
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