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Old Sep 23, 2008, 12:13am   #21
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Being a NL noob, I have observed that some of the reasons a lot of limit players fail in the transition from limit to no limit are things like; they just can't fathom folding a hand like AQ on a board of AT6 or something. In limit, you will jam the flop and probably only resort to calling down against aggressive turn betting. In NL, if someone competent is looking to get all in with you on that flop or on the turn, you will see a set of tens, sixes, AT or A6s most of the time. They just won't throw away their stack with A9 or some crap like that. The "when in doubt, call down" mentality of limit players is what hurts them at the NL tables and is why a lot of them just can't seem to "get it". They also over defend their blinds against steal raises which is fine in limit but dangerous in NL. Playing OOP with marginal holdings is not a +EV situation when it could very well end up costing you your stack. I also think they tend to call raises too much OOP. As an example, a decent ex-limit player opens AJ UTG in a 6 max game and gets 3 bet by the tight aggressive cut off. You have to fold here. What kind of flop besides a made straight or two pair are you hoping for? What will you do on an A high flop against a good player who has position on you? He will get the money when ahead and get away cheaply if you have him beat.

I could be wrong here- I am new to NL and maybe I'm nitty and don't know what I'm talking about and I'm sure against super aggressive high limit NL players it probably is more correct to stack off with a strong one pair hand in some spots since they are so over aggressive and are willing to put you under pressure with much weaker holdings or just semi bluff all in with draws combined with a lot of fold equity etc. However, generally, the fact that limit players nowadays see A high as the nuts and refuse to fold it under any circumstances because they "can beat a bluff" only hurts them at the NL tables. You have to be able to get away from losing hands. Give up the small pots and take down the big ones that count.
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Old Sep 23, 2008, 3:36am   #22
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All the NL advice is great, but....

Some people just actually prefer to play FL.

Might be crazy, but, whatever.

When you get bored of NL HE cash, see you guys at FL HE, FL 2-7, FL OH8, FL 7CS8, Razz, HORSE etc..
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Old Sep 23, 2008, 5:34am   #23
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Old Sep 23, 2008, 6:28am   #25
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btw - now that the NL/FL argument has found a new playing field in the FL section - bring it on. If you can convince me to play cash NL, then good game.

I am still not convinced.

Persuade me why I should play NL cash, or please get * out of the FL section.


* Edited to tone it down a bit.
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Old Sep 23, 2008, 1:05pm   #26
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I'm not trying to convince you Mike. I myself prefer limit hold 'em as I said but you can win more and exploit bad players much, much more at the No limit tables. I was just pointing out some areas where I think limit specialists go wrong when they make the jump. That's all- I wasn't trying to attack anyone.
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I'm not trying to convince you Mike. I myself prefer limit hold 'em as I said but you can win more and exploit bad players much, much more at the No limit tables. I was just pointing out some areas where I think limit specialists go wrong when they make the jump. That's all- I wasn't trying to attack anyone.
Sorry Adman - the wasn't intended specifically at you - I guess I have just had my fill of the FL bashers who just don't get the fact that not everyone wants to play NL.
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Maybe you have just developed a Fixed limit complex of some sort where the very mention of no limit gets you bent? You seem to be exacerbating an argument that doesn't need to take place, especially when declaring what can and cannot be discussed in this particular forum section.

Lighten up, Francis.
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Maybe you have just developed a Fixed limit complex of some sort where the very mention of no limit gets you bent? You seem to be exacerbating an argument that doesn't need to take place, especially when declaring what can and cannot be discussed in this particular forum section.

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I don't know why people bash limit games. Before the poker boom, no limit was only a tournament format. You couldn't find a no limit game in any casino 10 years ago. So all those pros that you gambling noobs out there jerk off to used to only play limit cash games. A lot of pros still play limit more than no limit.

You do need skill to play limit games because you don't have many tools to work with. In NL you can spew your chips or make a big bluff. In limit you need to play perfect poker all the time to make it work for you.

I bet that any limit players here would break any limit bashers in this forum in a FL game, and be able to hold their own in a no limit game.

So any NL player that wants to bash FL better have the experience to back it up. And by "experience" I don't mean 2 or 3 years of playing online.

It's funny how people watch poker on TV have a hot streak online then all over night they are a pro and know everything about poker lol.

Also just to add if you go to Vegas the limit games are like finding free money on your door step.

So that's my .02 cents deal with it in your own way.
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