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Old Feb 18, 2009, 6:01pm   #1
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If i've already decided that I want a call, is it still a bad play?

6 Seater STT, post-flop, I put the guy on an ace with a decent kicker, and to be honest, I wanted him to call my all in.

But was I too hasty? The way I pictured things, I only had about a 1000 chips left and this guy could call me right now with an inferior hand:



Which he did, but the flush comes and I guess I was expecting to dodge it. It was always going to be a bit of a gamble, but you need to win these 60-40 situations in STT's right?

I was all-in, ready to get doubled up with the best hand available.

Could I have played it better?

All-in might seem a bit trigger happy, but I wasn't going to bet the pot and be instant-called or re-raised. (which is exactly would have happened - i'm putting all my chips in this hand no matter what.)
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Old Feb 18, 2009, 6:30pm   #2
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I would recommend raising to $300 preflop instead of $200.

Once you hit you set on the flop, the standard play is to be close to pot, maybe a little less. However, overbetting the pot can be right against some players, such as players that call light.

You write: "All-in might seem a bit trigger happy, but I wasn't going to bet the pot and be instant-called or re-raised. (which is exactly would have happened - i'm putting all my chips in this hand no matter what.) "

You're thinking about this hand wrong. You want to be instant called or reraised after betting pot by someone with an inferior hand, such as a flush draw or Ace/x.

From the HH, we can't tell how large the stack your opponent had. He is only calling $100 into $450 preflop though, so he can call with loads of cards which miss that flop. I don't see how you can put him on an ace, or anything for that matter after he checks the flop.

I know its hard, but don't be results oriented. You got the money in good here, which is that goal everytime.
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Old Feb 18, 2009, 6:40pm   #3
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thanks for the advice, much appreciated.

I suppose I should have bet $300, but I was aching for a call with the stack I had.

I put him on a high-card hand from the way he was playing previously. Perhaps I should have made a small bet and gone from there. Nevermind.

I still lost with the better hand, and that's how i've got to look at it.
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Old Feb 18, 2009, 6:42pm   #4
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Also, I think i'm getting pushed all-in before the Turn, no matter how much I bet post-flop.

So, in theory, is it still a bad move?
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Also, I think i'm getting pushed all-in before the Turn, no matter how much I bet post-flop.

So, in theory, is it still a bad move?
I think your question is "Since I think I'm getting pushed all-in on the turn, isn't it a good idea to get all-in on the flop?"

Assuming I have it right (correct me if I don't), the key stat here is your stack size. On the flop you have 1630 left with a 450 pot. Lets say you make a near pot sized bet (PSB) of 400 which gets called by your opponent. Now on the turn you have only a PSB left (1230 into 1250), which you can shove without it being an overbet. Plus, your opponent could raise over your bet with a worse hand counting on non-existant "fold equity"

Not taking into your opponent's player type, open-shoving makes it seem like you want your opponent to fold, when you want him to be calling.

Finally, my earlier post still applies- since you just min-raised preflop, your opponent can have a wide variety of hands. How can you think you're getting shoved in on the turn when you have no clue what his hand is based on his flop check?
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Old Feb 18, 2009, 9:03pm   #6
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Maybe I was more scared of the flush on the turn. Moreso than anything else.

I never like to give players extra cards. And a big bet on the flop was the only thing going through my mind.

It's a decent flop for Pocket Kings, I know, but those 3 clubs are what ruined my play and my stack.

I'll be sure to calm down next time, and ask for a call, rather than demand a fold.
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I never like to give players extra cards. And a big bet on the flop was the only thing going through my mind.
If you are betting close to pot with the stack you have behind, your opponent isn't getting the correct odds to call for his flush and is making a mistake. Poker is about getting your opponents to make mistakes.

Don't think of it as "giving" an extra card, think of it as "selling" an extra card for way more than its worth.

Also, the fact you're in position is important. If he calls a pot-sized bet and the 4th club comes, the majority of low limit sit n go players will check the turn to you with their made flush since you've been the aggressor. You can then check back and try to improve to a full house on the river.

I meant to say this earlier but the worst mistake in the entire hand was your opponent not 3-betting your weak open preflop at this blind level 5-handed.
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I was all-in, ready to get doubled up with the best hand available.

Could I have played it better?
triple up next time. quadruple. yeah you can do much better imo.
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