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Old Oct 09, 2009, 12:24am   #1
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What up. Quick question about bankroll. I played for a long time live but not much online and i want to start. I'm good not the best or anythign but pretty damn good. i think i can prolly do well online but wondering how most people startout. what site is best and how much should i put online?
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Old Oct 09, 2009, 1:27am   #2
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I'm going to assume you're USA, in which case I'd say $600 at FTP or PS. Look around on some other sites for information about important programs when making an account at a new site. The amount is based on just maxing out your initial deposit bonus on those sites, which will help you build a BR quickly starting out. Typically you want 30 BI for a limit, assuming you are playing NL cash games. If you deposited 600 on Full Tilt, you'd probably want to play 25 nl then for the sake of clearing the bonus, but if you have no experience/skill level then a better alternate plan might be to deposit $300 on Stars and clear the bonus at NL10 (you have 3 months iirc), research those programs I alluded to and deposit 600 on Full Tilt and then play 25nl. There isn't a huge skill gap between the two limits, but it does exist for some people it seems.
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Old Oct 09, 2009, 3:09am   #3
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If you are in the US Full Tilt or Stars are probably your best options. Keep in mind online if you are playing for pennies, that's the same difficulty as playing live for dollars.

If maxing out your initial bonus is more than you are willing to invest at first. Then deposit less money at a different site to test out the waters. If it goes well, then you could transfer your winnings or deposit at a different site to max out the bonus.

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As a new online player one should be aggressively bonus whoring and getting rakeback. On line poker rooms give one first time deposit bonuses (except for stars...not counting their, lol, $50 bonus as a bonus). Rake back is the most important thing to get and one needs to get it through an affiliate, even playing the $25 and $50 buy in levels one can generate $1,000-$4,000 in rake a month for the poker room...so getting back 25-30% of that money is a big deal and much more important than a deposit bonus-especially if you like the site. Once one signs up one is very unlikely to ever get rake back and one has often thrown away ones first time deposit bonus as well

If you're going to play at a site without rake back make sure they're giving you a great first time deposit bonus and one that quickly clears, also that one should look for affiliates giving sign up bonuses for signing up through them-the standard is a $50 gift card, though some affiliates will give one $50 free at certain sites and one can also get standard tracking software such as poker tracker, poker office and hold'em manager as sign up through us bonuses from affiliates.

One should consider their comp point stores too-a lot of them have nothing worth while in them and don't ship to America so check them out carefully. One can make money reselling the worthwhile items at Amazon or ebay.

One also need to consider how one is going to deposit at and withdraw from sites. If not an American neteller can be used to quickly transfer sums to new sites or withdraw back to your bank account. If an American there are no good methods of moving funds between sites or back to ones bank account and one will need to cash out ones winnings by snail mail checks.
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Old Oct 09, 2009, 12:28pm   #5
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Stars actually has a $600 first time depositor bonus now. I was trying not to be too explicit since I remember it being a touchy subject, but RB is the program I was referring to.
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obviously you should use the pokertips signup codes to get your bonuses, but there are some useful sites like bonuswhores.com that give you good info on the quality of games in the various poker rooms and how quickly the bonuses clear.

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I did not mention bonus whores directly, but don't settle for them, carefully shop around for the best deal before signing up through an affiliate, also check site traffic at pokerscout.com. One should also read other poker sites such as: flopturnriver; bet-the-pot and twoplustwo
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Old Oct 10, 2009, 5:33am   #8
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Your original question was on bankroll, so I'll address that. Given I don't know your skill level, but know that the play online is vastly different than the play in live games. While you may do well in home games, or even at the casino doing 2/5nl or whatever, you won't be doing 2/5nl online without working up to it.

To get the maximum out of a sign up bonus, deposit the most they'll allow (600$ at PS I think) and start at .10/.25nl (assuming you are doing NL and not something gay like FL). If you drop below something like $450 then move down.

The biggest mistake of people just starting to play online is playing way above their bankroll and going broke. Build up your roll and be patience. For most people, your skill will grow faster than your bankroll.
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Didn't people always say the converse, that bankroll grows faster than skill, before?
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Didn't people always say the converse, that bankroll grows faster than skill, before?
I've heard that, ya, but I'd disagree if a person is actually trying to get better and analyzing hands. Your skill can grow pretty fast when the difference between 25nl-50nl-100nl isn't groundbreaking huge. However the difference between needing 500-700 in your account is a bit different then 3000. Also, as your edges get smaller your variance increases (since variance is a factor of winrate).

So I guess it depends on limits, and your level of commitment to learning. If you are one of those people who mindlessly grind for hours and get better from sheer volume, your skill probably grows slower, especially at higher levels. However if you spend an hour or so after each session reviewing hands you played and what you could/should have done, and actually looking at your own statistics I think the opposite is true.
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