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Old Oct 13, 2009, 4:13am   #1
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SB: $73.38
BB: $41.57
UTG: $50.00
Hero (MP): $104.17 Tag Image, maybe little weak tight
CO: $72.28
BTN: $111.16 20/15 agg 3 wtsd 24. Lots of moves, consistently gets aggro on dry flops, bit of fancy play syndrome
Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with A J
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, BTN calls $2, 2 folds
Flop: ($4.75) 5 8 T (2 players)
Hero bets $3.25, BTN raises to $8.50,

Do you give up everytime here? Any difference if the stacks were 100 instead of 200 bbs?
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Old Oct 13, 2009, 12:24pm   #2
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Old Oct 13, 2009, 6:14pm   #3
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As default b/f is fine vs nl50 regs I'm sure.

vs someone who raises this frequently, there's a lot of lines you can take here. bet/fold isn't one of them. Basically any 7/9/J+ turn strengthens your hand.

Bet/call, then c/c a J/Q/A and c/r a 7/9/K (the Q gives you a serious double gutter, so your hand is too strong to c/r bluff imo). If you c/c the turn check the river and then the play will be obvious. If you c/r the turn, river is trixy. too many possibilities to list them imo.

Bet/3bet is ok as well, you can then barrel lots of turns. But note that you gotta back up this line with a river shove frequently. This line, esp the river shove, might be optimal, cause small stakes regs tend to not slowplay till the river, he would frequently 4bet a set on the flop or ship the turn.

C/C flop is fine as well. I take that line as default vs aggro regs.

now reread the first line
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Old Oct 13, 2009, 6:52pm   #4
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Awesome post, and laughed at reread the first line I'll show how this hand played out soon...
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Old Oct 13, 2009, 7:53pm   #5
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I wouldn't consider this a totally dry flop. at 20/15 he's calling in position with a decent number of hands that connect with T85. I'd still let this go most of the time, you don't need to be messing around making fancier plays out of position to combat fancy play syndrome.

From time to time I will fight back, of course. BB's suggestions are good.

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Old Oct 16, 2009, 6:58pm   #6
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So I generaly bet/fold the flop as default. Once in awhile, when playing certain regs that I expect to raise that board I get a little creative
SB: $73.38
BB: $41.57
UTG: $50.00
Hero (MP): $104.17
CO: $72.28
BTN: $111.16
Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with A J
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, BTN calls $2, 2 folds
Flop: ($4.75) 5 8 T (2 players)
Hero bets $3.25, BTN raises to $8.50, Hero calls $5.25
Turn: ($21.75) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $15.50, BTN calls $15.50
River: ($52.75) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $35.75, BTN calls $35.75
Final Pot: $124.25
Hero shows A J
BTN mucks 9 9
Hero wins $121.25
(Rake: $3.00)
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why exactly do you lead the turn?
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My thoughts for leading the turn at the time were 'I think his raise was fos, I'm gonna look strong and fold him'... In retrospect my line looks queer.
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Old Oct 18, 2009, 9:32am   #9
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Yeah if you think he's bluffing, checkraising the turn is probably better because your line looks more like a set/aces and it gives him a chance to barrel the turn on a bluff too. He should be leading something like 85-90% of turns since he raised the flop.

That said the best line is to b/f or c/f the flop depending on your read on villain's preflop calling range and postflop tendencies.

Also, massive lol at results, sick river ;)
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Old Oct 18, 2009, 6:10pm   #10
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the turn 7 is super coordinated, meaning if he had 'something' on the flop, he now has 'something more'. I hate bluffing this card. Would love a turn donk with the nuts but like this is just retarded, he's never folding the turn, and I don't think you can follow up on the river profitably either.
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