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Old Oct 14, 2009, 1:32pm   #11
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Oh believe me, I kept asking him to show me his quads or his full house, but he didn't even flinch, he just took the chips, mucked his hand and moved on to the next hand.

Looking at the hand again, I'm wondering if he did have quads. It is conceivable that even with three suits he just called his trips. I don't get it, but live people do that all the time. Oh well, moving on...

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I think probably he meant if you folded and he was noticeably more relieved it's likely he wasn't sure he was ahead, thus obviously didn't have quads/boat. Or if he seems disappointed etc. You can pick up a ton of information after a hand is done, when a person feels like they are no longer under pressure to conceal.
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Old Oct 14, 2009, 5:35pm   #12
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This was live against a fairly new opponent at the table. My take on him from the little I gathered is that he is competent, probably plays online fairly well and plays fairly lag. It is too soon to tell for sure, but sometimes you can just tell these things by their mannerisms.

Anyway, it was 1-2 NL I was BB with AcRag with $350. There were 4 limpers in the pot and it's limped to me, I check it. ($8 )

Flop comes 7cKc9c. I lead out for $10, it's folded to the villain who takes his time and calls. ($26)
Turn gives me a rag club for the nut flush. I lead out for $20, he calls. ($43)
River is another 7, I lead out for $25. ($68 )
He raises All in.

My primary question is, at what point in stack sizes (if any) do I fold? I purposely left out the villain's stack size to see what people here are willing to call with and why.
I should have bet more on the river, but that voice in my head said he is playing trips or K7 or K9 or even 79 being that it was a limped pot and all, and I thought if I bet smaller I could call a smaller raise. (probably flawed thinking) I've seen live players in position wait too long to hammer their trips and the way he was pausing in this makes me think that.

I've seen similar situations that I wasn't involved in where the one with the nut flush stacks off and says they would stack off all day long because they feel in the long run, they come out ahead. These seem to be the guys paying me off with their second best hand.

Hope I wasn't rambling too much.
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i would call, i think i would still have the upper hand
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Old Oct 14, 2009, 5:46pm   #13
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I think probably he meant if you folded and he was noticeably more relieved it's likely he wasn't sure he was ahead, thus obviously didn't have quads/boat. Or if he seems disappointed etc. You can pick up a ton of information after a hand is done, when a person feels like they are no longer under pressure to conceal.
Yes. example:

*stacks the pot preternaturally fast as soon as it's pushed to him*

what does it mean, childers?

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Yes. example:

*stacks the pot preternaturally fast as soon as it's pushed to him*

what does it mean, childers?

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That he doesn't feel like he earned it as his, instead he feels like he stole it, so he wants to integrate it into his stack as fast as possible. Aka he was bluffing on some level.
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