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Old Oct 16, 2009, 1:24pm   #11
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Default gotcha, Yo Double~~~~~

Has any one else read this ebook I'm reading?


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Old Oct 16, 2009, 1:28pm   #12
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This is where the 17-1 comes in. Its not really any type of odds. Just an easier way to show how big their stack is. The author is thinking if the opponents stack is 12 times the bet, then you will probably be able to win 8 times the bet on average when you make your set.
Why do you say 8 times on average???
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Old Oct 16, 2009, 1:48pm   #13
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Default Calling??? PP Raising PP???

I think This basically relates to middle to low PP corret

Now, What if the same type scenario presents itself, but I hold QQ or KK, not AA

With a 50 BB stack, And multi callers On a 3xBB raise. I would think I simply call here, Even with a load of fish here. You would probably have to put one of them on an ace. And if I miss the flop I'm folding. Is it worth the re raise here?


I guess if i'm over pair afterflop i can stay though right?

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Old Oct 16, 2009, 1:53pm   #14
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Why do you say 8 times on average???
Because you will not be able to stack your opponent every single time you have a set. He might miss the board completely and just check/fold, he might give up after betting the flop, he might even beat you with a higher set. In short, you can't count on winning your opponent's whole stack.

Regarding your second question, you would usually want to re-raise KK and QQ in those situations. You do this mainly a) for value, because those are the second and third best starting hands in the game, and you can count on being ahead of your opponents often, and b) to thin the field and decrease the chances of someone outflopping you.
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Old Oct 16, 2009, 1:55pm   #15
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Also, with KK and QQ you don't so much "miss the flop" but rather dodge an Ace. I mean, most of the time if the flop comes undercards to your pair, you're still going to have the best hand. Compare that to small pocket pairs, where you basically have to make your set to have a hand good enough to continue with.
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Old Oct 16, 2009, 2:09pm   #16
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I was just thinking that double while you posted it.... I'm dodging the ace /....
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Old Oct 16, 2009, 2:16pm   #17
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Default double, this is what I'm dealing with

So check his hand I threw in the 25 in the small blind......


I totally took this guy for two pair and then he 6 on 4th i saw his full house , but WTF is the other guy thinking here wow


Full Tilt Poker Game #15373517087: $1 + $0.10 Sit & Go (112724085), Table 3 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:09:38 ET - 2009/10/16
Seat 1: Hentryx00 (1,955)
Seat 2: poc007 (1,210)
Seat 3: ffacce (1,585)
Seat 5: IlyaRichardovi4 (2,420)
Seat 6: goginjo (2,285)
Seat 7: matjes (2,065)
Seat 8: EspoVokP (1,800)
Seat 9: Chrizzak (1,955)
EspoVokP posts the small blind of 40
Chrizzak posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to EspoVokP [Ac 7s]
Hentryx00 folds
poc007 calls 80
ffacce calls 80
IlyaRichardovi4 folds
goginjo folds
matjes calls 80
EspoVokP calls 40
Chrizzak checks
*** FLOP *** [7h 6s 8s]
EspoVokP checks
Chrizzak bets 400
poc007 calls 400
ffacce has 15 seconds left to act
ffacce calls 400
matjes has 15 seconds left to act
matjes folds
EspoVokP folds
*** TURN *** [7h 6s 8s] [6c]
Chrizzak checks
poc007 bets 730, and is all in
ffacce has 15 seconds left to act
ffacce folds
Chrizzak calls 730
poc007 shows [Ts Jh]
Chrizzak shows [8d 6d]
*** RIVER *** [7h 6s 8s 6c] [As]
poc007 shows a pair of Sixes
Chrizzak shows a full house, Sixes full of Eights
Chrizzak wins the pot (3,060) with a full house, Sixes full of Eights
poc007 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,060 | Rake 0
Board: [7h 6s 8s 6c As]
Seat 1: Hentryx00 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: poc007 showed [Ts Jh] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 3: ffacce folded on the Turn
Seat 5: IlyaRichardovi4 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: goginjo didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: matjes (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: EspoVokP (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Chrizzak (big blind) showed [8d 6d] and won (3,060) with a full house, Sixes full of Eights
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Old Oct 16, 2009, 2:27pm   #18
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so should i always be practicing these odds ?
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Why do you say 8 times on average???
Because the odds of flopping a set are roughly 8:1. If you don't flop a set with a small pair, you basically have to fold to any bet (unless you flop something like 754 with 66). Therefore, to take a small pair to the flop, you need to average a return of at least 8:1 on your money, or you're losing money by seeing the flop.

So, for example, the button raises to 3BB and the SB calls. You're in the big blind with 33. You have to call 2BB to see the flop, and knowing that you're about 8:1 to hit your set, you need to get a return of 16BB. The pot already has 7BB in it (pot odds), so you need to be able to get another 9BB from the other players when you hit your set (implied odds) to make this call profitable.

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but WTF is the other guy thinking here
he thought he had ten outs and fold equity.

or he thought he was a lawn sprinkler.

both are equally likely.

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