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Old Oct 21, 2009, 2:30am   #11
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Again, I think a measured 4 bet has basically the same fold equity as a shove and is less expensive. If you make a measured 4bet with the standard all in hands and 4bet shove on other occasions, it's pretty clear that I need less to play against your shove than I do your measured 4bets.
nah not if we do it right

4bet small {QQ+,AK,bluffs}
4bet shove {JJ-77,AQ}

villain can't exploit this or a similar strategy. Sure he is right to call a 4bet shove with TT/AK, but he would be right to shove this over a normal small 4bet as well.
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Old Oct 21, 2009, 3:50am   #12
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nah not if we do it right

4bet small {QQ+,AK,bluffs}
4bet shove {JJ-77,AQ}

villain can't exploit this or a similar strategy. Sure he is right to call a 4bet shove with TT/AK, but he would be right to shove this over a normal small 4bet as well.
I can see villain thinking "would you really shove a strong hand?" and calling wider than TT and AK.

Villains need to be selected carefully. There's certainly merit to 4bet shoving TT-77 occasionally but not as the standard line. Possibly also with JJ and AQ, but it feels like we're turning too good a hand into a bit of a bluff.

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