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Old Nov 21, 2009, 2:49pm   #1
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kennt ja jeder diese bildchen, die man sich nach ner session rauslässt und sich dann ganz dolle selber bemitleiden tut. aber tbh, ich weiß gar nicht genau wie man den "All-In EV" richtig interpretiert. was sagt das genau aus - und was nicht?

bsp hand wo wir pre, flop und ai turn gebettet hatten:


wie berechnet sich denn "Equity %" in ner hand wenn man über mehrere streets gebettet hat?
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Old Nov 21, 2009, 2:55pm   #2
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Wie der Name schon sagt, beim All-In. Nach dem All-In kannst Du nichts mehr beeinflussen und hast x% Equity, d.h. x*Pot=All-In EV.

So habs ich zumindest verstanden.....
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Old Nov 21, 2009, 2:57pm   #3
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Bin zwar nen FL donk, aber so wie ich das immer verstanden hab, ist die Equity % die Warscheinlichkeit, dass du die Hand gewinnst, wann ihr allin geht.

D.h. ihr geht beide am Turn All-in, dann hattest du am Turn eine Equity von 93,2% und entsprechend 93,2% Anteil des Pots zum Zeitpunkt des All-ins. Die voherige Action wird da nicht weiterbeachtet.
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Old Nov 21, 2009, 3:48pm   #4
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berücksichtigt dann "EV $ Diff" gar nicht wie viel geld ich "gut" rein hab und wieviel "schlecht" wenn ich zb den großteil als dog am flop setzte und turn miracle hitte und dort mit dem rest all in komme als x% Equity favorit, dann wird der gesamte pot mit der equity der all in street verrechnet?
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Old Nov 21, 2009, 3:53pm   #5
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berücksichtigt dann "EV $ Diff" gar nicht wie viel geld ich "gut" rein hab und wieviel "schlecht" wenn ich zb den großteil als dog am flop setzte und turn miracle hitte und dort mit dem rest all in komme als x% Equity favorit, dann wird der gesamte pot mit der equity der all in street verrechnet?
you got it. Das ist der Grund, warum die Linie nicht sehr aussagekräftig ist.

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 93.182% 93.18% 00.00% 41 0.00 { AcKs }
Hand 1: 06.818% 06.82% 00.00% 3 0.00 { Ad7c }

Das ist Deine All-In-Equity, wie sie auch in HEM erscheint.
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Old Nov 21, 2009, 4:12pm   #6
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Jup.
Also wayne All-In-Ev + All-In-Ev-Graph.
Das ist nur dazu da, damit NL Spieler whinen können, wie schlecht sie doch laufen.
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Old Nov 21, 2009, 4:22pm   #7
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Also wayne All-In-Ev + All-In-Ev-Graph.
Das ist nur dazu da, damit NL Spieler whinen können, wie schlecht sie doch laufen.
nur dass das einer der groessten short term luck factoren ist, den man auch noch berechnen kann, und daher nicht so super wayne ist.
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Jup.
Also wayne All-In-Ev + All-In-Ev-Graph.
Das ist nur dazu da, damit NL Spieler whinen können, wie schlecht sie doch laufen.
Naja ich find den Graphen nicht so schlecht, man hat halt einen gewissen anhaltspunkt ob man jetzt nur glücklos ist oder ob man einfach scheiße spielt. Ich find das nicht so schlecht, beim FL gibt es so etwas ja garnicht und da steigen dann in einer phase wo man einfach glücklos ist auch die selbstzweifel ob man überhaupt gut genug ist. (Zumindestens ist es bei mir so) NL schaust du einfach auf deinen EV Graphen und siehst halt so und so viele stacks down aber das meiste halt durch pech, dann weißt du das du trotzdem gut spielst.

Klar so sachen wie AA vs. KK wird nicht angezeigt oder wenn man bis zum River rumballert und dann der Gegner am river den flush macht. Aber es gibt eine gewisse Tendenz.
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Old Nov 21, 2009, 4:42pm   #9
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EV-Graph != Pech/Glück-Graph!!
deswegen sind die "OMG i run so bad"-schreie auch oft blödsinn...
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Old Nov 21, 2009, 5:10pm   #10
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Was mich aber schon immer interessiert. Nen guter bzw winning player müsste doch, nach meinem Verständnis, dauerhaft unter EV laufen. Da er ja weiß wann er beat ist und seltener suckouts verteilt, oder?
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