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Old Mar 28, 2010, 10:33pm   #21
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Nothing really...more to the points of putting in mass amounts of time at the table and the expected % numbers. Also, to offer maybe a different strategy to spending 2-3 hours what you may be able to accomplish in 1/2 hr.

I think it more to the point of setting a modest goal and being disciplined enough to stick to it. It's hard I admit, and I have spend countless (losing) hours trying to hone it. And, I still fall in to the trap of playing too long sometimes.

Just trying to help...and spend less time at the tables.
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I play on average 12 hours per day in brick n morter cardrooms and casinos, i use a spreadsheet to track my ROI and have found im averaging from 60 per hour to 170 per hour on a 3/6 table. and on average there are about 40 hands per hour Give or take. for drunk players sleepy players and noobs.

with this i have been able to track everything except hands played. I dont play online, not cause i dont want to, but becasue im in the USA, and have issues starting my bankroll there.

now, a tear down on my casino play is like this. i play 3.5 hours per casino/cardroom. and there are 3 within 20 minutes of each other. and i move from casino to casino. for 12 hours a day. people wonder why i do this. its because i find sitting in one place more than 4 hours allows the sharks to change up and figure out my play. to me by the time they figure me out, im outa there.

Some people call this hit n runs. but i dont think so. A hit n run is where i play for a single big hand. win it, then get out. I will stay till my limits up win or loose. it works for me. not sure about others.
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I play on average 12 hours per day in brick n morter cardrooms and casinos, i use a spreadsheet to track my ROI and have found im averaging from 60 per hour to 170 per hour on a 3/6 table. and on average there are about 40 hands per hour Give or take. for drunk players sleepy players and noobs.

with this i have been able to track everything except hands played. I dont play online, not cause i dont want to, but becasue im in the USA, and have issues starting my bankroll there.

now, a tear down on my casino play is like this. i play 3.5 hours per casino/cardroom. and there are 3 within 20 minutes of each other. and i move from casino to casino. for 12 hours a day. people wonder why i do this. its because i find sitting in one place more than 4 hours allows the sharks to change up and figure out my play. to me by the time they figure me out, im outa there.

Some people call this hit n runs. but i dont think so. A hit n run is where i play for a single big hand. win it, then get out. I will stay till my limits up win or loose. it works for me. not sure about others.
Did you just say you're making $60-170 per hour playing 3/6 Limit Hold'em, LIVE?
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Did you just say you're making $60-170 per hour playing 3/6 Limit Hold'em, LIVE?
he's obviously lying, but what i love about your response is you're astounded by him doing this live.

his wide uncertainty is particularly amusing. 60-170? the only way you would get boundaries like that is if you've played twice.

$170 is more than a buyin, even 8tabling at 75 hands per table per hour, making 1 buyin/hour is 5BB/100.

I don't think anyone could sustain that over anything like a meaningful sample, but if you want to lay me 10:1 on a $500 bet over 10k hands at 3/6 I'll give it a go

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I read this as an even more impossible ROI of between 60% and 170% per hour For what it's worth, I immediately dismiss anyone who says "I average" and then gives a range.

I don't play live, but for the sake of the argument, I thought I'd work out my % ROI per hour, based on the standard buy-in of $10 at a 0.25/0.50 full ring limit table. A 'fast' table would play c.60 hands an hour, so at 2BB/100 I'm going to be making about 60c an hour per table.

At that sort of rate, making between $6 and $17 an hour sounds eminently possible at a $3/6 table, even live, and is likely to be above minimum wage. But adding a '0' to those figures is clearly nonsense.
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he's obviously lying, but what i love about your response is you're astounded by him doing this live.

his wide uncertainty is particularly amusing. 60-170? the only way you would get boundaries like that is if you've played twice.

$170 is more than a buyin, even 8tabling at 75 hands per table per hour, making 1 buyin/hour is 5BB/100.

I don't think anyone could sustain that over anything like a meaningful sample, but if you want to lay me 10:1 on a $500 bet over 10k hands at 3/6 I'll give it a go

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I think this is a +EV bet but i'm not willing to risk 5k on it.

If you're capable of 20+ tabling it could be possible I guess but I don't know if there are 20 limit hold'em games available at the same time across all sites at 3/6 specifically

Edit: Oh wait you mean 5bb/100 not $170/hour, no interest at all lol you're way better than a 10-1 dog over 10k hands imo
What's amazing is that you're willing to play 10k hands of Limit Hold'em, lol
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However if the goal is $170/hour playing no higher than 3/6 LHE then we might have a wager if enough people buy the other side of the action
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I read this as an even more impossible ROI of between 60% and 170% per hour For what it's worth, I immediately dismiss anyone who says "I average" and then gives a range.
christ. you're right, he did said ROI. i think my brain just filtered that because it's a term that has no business coming up in this forum.

you can't really figure ROI in terms of buyin and cashout. in tournaments, yeah, you balance when you win against what you invest, but think about how much you actually invest in a cash game.

how many bets do you make per 100 hands just to win your 1 or 2 BB/100? i'm sure someone who knows how to actually work HEM/PT will be able to give us a number, but I'm guessing an average winning player is going to be turning over something like $75-100 in action for every $1 they make. So a limit player's roi is like 1%.

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I think this is a +EV bet but i'm not willing to risk 5k on it.
well, i'd need to be winning enough to make up the shortfall in my earn. maybe we can still do business.

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20 is a bit psychotic. i used to play 8 "high" limit games back when i was your age, but i'd have to fix my desktop up. 20 is clownshoes, tables break too quickly and you're making far too many decisions per hour.

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Edit: Oh wait you mean 5bb/100 not $170/hour, no interest at all lol you're way better than a 10-1 dog over 10k hands imo
okay, lets say i play 10k hands of $3/6 over 4 tables. i get to pick the tables, and will always play at least 4 tables even if it means playing bad tables while im on waiting lists for good tables. suggest the winrate i have to achieve and the associated odds.

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What's amazing is that you're willing to play 10k hands of Limit Hold'em, lol
trying to look down on someone from the cheap seats is going to do serious damage to your neck. here's a big blind, go spend 6 hours playing one of your girly tournaments.

anyone who has anything negative to say about limit hold'em is welcome to take the seat on my left.

in fact here's an even more entertaining bet. We play at least 10k hands heads up LHE, you pick the stakes between $1/2 and oh lets say, $50/100. I will spot you 0.5BB/100 hands. You can quit me any time after the first 10k hands for free, I can only quit after 10k hands by paying you an additional 0.5BB for every 100 hands we've played. sidebet on the winner to be determined.

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christ. you're right, he did said ROI. i think my brain just filtered that because it's a term that has no business coming up in this forum.
Well, exactly, though I suppose if you were playing exclusively one table live and always bought in for one buy in, same amount, no reloading, then you could isolate your ROI sessionally rather than bet on bet. Wouldn't matter which game you played - if you always walked in with $100 and out with $xx then you have a ROI of sorts.

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but I'm guessing an average winning player is going to be turning over something like $75-100 in action for every $1 they make. So a limit player's roi is like 1%.
I'm minded to log this one tonight, to record how much I put on a table during a 500 hand session win lose or break-even. If not tonight, over the weekend perhaps..... May not be anywhere near a big enough sample though, but would be interesting to know how much more than the $60 I put on the tables I actually wager.
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