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Old Apr 08, 2011, 6:07am   #311
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well, nobody in this forum seems to care about poker any more. here are a couple of fun little games i played against a ~1700 on a popular chess site. time control was game/20.

white vs 1700

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Qd2 Nc6 7. O-O-O a6
8. Be2 b5 9. a3 b4 10. axb4 Nxb4 11. Bh6 Bd7 12. Bxg7 Kxg7 13. h4 h5
14. e5 Nh7 15. e6 Bxe6 16. d5 Bg4 17. Qd4+ Nf6 18. Qxb4 e5 19. dxe6 Bxe6
20. Ng5 Bd7 21. Qd4 Kg8 22. Nd5 Nxd5 23. Qxd5 a5 24. Bd3 Qf6 25. Ne4 Qg7
26. Qg5 f5 27. Nc3 Rab8 28. Rhe1 a4 29. Bc4+ Kh8 30. Re7 a3 31. Rxg7 axb2+
32. Kb1 Kxg7 33. Qe7+ black resigns

black vs 1700

1. Nf3 f5 2. g3 g6 3. Bg2 Bg7 4. d3 d6 5. c4 e5 6. e4 Nf6 7. Nc3 O-O 8. Bg5 Nc6
9. a3 h6 10. Bxf6 Qxf6 11. Nd5 Qf7 12. O-O fxe4 13. dxe4 Bg4 14. Ng5 Bxd1
15.Nxf7 Be2 16. Nxc7 Bxf1 17. Nxd6 Bxg2 18. Kxg2 Rad8 19. Ne6 Rxd6
20. Nxf8 Kxf8 21. b4 Rd4 22. b5 Rxc4 23. bxc6 Rxc6 24. Rb1 b6 25. Rd1 Rc7
26. Rd6 Kf7 27. h4 Rb7 28. a4 a5 29. f4 exf4 30. gxf4 b5 31. axb5 Rxb5
32. Rd7+ Kf8 33. e5 Bxe5 34. fxe5 Rxe5 35. Ra7 g5 36. hxg5 hxg5 37. Kg3 Ke8
38. Kg4 Kd8 39. Rh7 Kc8 40. Ra7 Kb8 41. Rh7 a4 42. Rf7 Ra5 43. Rf1 a3
44. Ra1 a2 45. Kf3 Kc7 46. Ke2 Kd6 47. Kd2 Ke5 48. Kc2 g4 49. Kb2 Kf4
50. Rf1+ Kg3 51. Ka1 Kg2 52. Rc1 g3 53. Rc2+ Kh3 54. Rc3 Kh2 55. Rc2+ g2
56. Rd2 Kh1 white resigns

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no one else seems to be posting and I'm dead in wolfgame so I'll go through for fun and because I might have time to start playing chess again. These are probably stupid questions because I'm a tad (I'm moving and I had to drink a full decanter tonight because moving it with whiskey might spill obv) drunk, but consider this a primer for getting me ready to learn some more:

how come a3 instead of something like d5? don't you risk opening up the a file against your k with that? I guess it forces a knight on the a file though.

why ...15bxe6 instead of f6? did he just miss your queen tactic there or what?

there was more but I forgot what I was doing. I'll come back tomorrow
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Old Apr 08, 2011, 6:21pm   #312
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no one else seems to be posting and I'm dead in wolfgame so I'll go through for fun and because I might have time to start playing chess again. These are probably stupid questions because I'm a tad (I'm moving and I had to drink a full decanter tonight because moving it with whiskey might spill obv) drunk, but consider this a primer for getting me ready to learn some more:
decanter? seriously? just wrap it in tampons and you'll be fine you fucking nancy.

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how come a3 instead of something like d5? don't you risk opening up the a file against your k with that? I guess it forces a knight on the a file though.
d5 is valid, though my concern there is opening up the g7 bishop. basically a3 is played because my knight has no squares, and the reason it has no squares is that i misplayed on move 8. when he plays a6 he is always playing b5 next, and normally you're supposed to play Bd3. I know you're supposed to play Bd3, but it doesn't usually come up in this particular line and my brain stroked off and I couldn't remember why it was essential to the solution to b5 (it's to allow either Ne2 or e5 and Ne4). plus it looked wrong because of the Ng4/Nb4 ideas, and it probably is wrong. i think i'm better off just playing 8.Bh6, after which i can pretty much do what i want with those central pawns as well as creating dark squared weaknesses around his king.

i'm not really concerned about trading off the a pawn, he can't open the a file and the pawn i'm getting rid of is pretty soft when you castle long.

interestingly enough, fritz 5 says a3 is a mistake, fritz 12 likes it.

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he missed the tactic. again, F5 says this is a blunder, -0.5 from a position that was -0.25 whereas F12 says it's +1.05 from a position that was +1.05. no, wait, now it says it's +1.3...+0.96...yeah seems to have settled there. interesting that F5 thinks i'm worse and F12 thinks i'm substantially better. I thought I was about +0.5 because fxe, g4 (this is the move F5 doesn't see until it gets to the position). Qe8 is basically forced, then I have a few resources, Rdg1, Nh2 maybe...F5 has figured out that it's okay now

this is a nice illustration of why computers suck. okay so fritz 12 with its elo of about 8000 gets it, but fritz 5 is no slouch, solid IM/weak GM strength at least but it doesn't see the things that even a modest player such as I can see because like a newb, it obsesses about counting the men on the board.

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you wanted to know why I played 29.Bc4+ instead of going straight for Re7. the answer is that 29.Re7 Rf7 30.Bc4 Be8 is not as good as 29.Bc4+ Rf7 30.Bxf7+ Qxf7 31.Re7 or 30...Kh8 31.Re7.

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White vs ~1880ish fide

1. d4 f5 2. Bg5 h6 3. Bh4 g5 4. e3 Nf6 5. Bg3 d6 6. Bc4 e6 7. c3 Qe7 8. h3 Nbd7
9. Nd2 Bg7 10. Qb3 e5 11. O-O-O Nb6 12. dxe5 dxe5 13. Qb5+ Nfd7 14. Bb3 a6 15.
Qe2 h5 16. Nc4 Nc5 17. Nxb6 Nxb3+ 18. axb3 cxb6 19. Nf3 Bd7 20. Rd2 O-O-O 21.
Rhd1 h4 22. Bh2 g4 23. hxg4 fxg4 24. Qc4+ Qc5 25. Qxc5+ bxc5 26. Nxe5 Be6 27.
Rxd8+ Rxd8 28. Rxd8+ Kxd8 29. Ng6 h3 30. gxh3 gxh3 31. Nf4 Bg4 32. f3 Bd7 33.
Nh5 Bh6 34. f4 Ke7 35. Kd2 Bg4 36. Ng3 Ke6 37. Ne4 b6 38. Nf2 Bf5 39. e4 Bh7
40. Kd3 b5 41. Nxh3 Kd7 42. Nf2 Bg7 43. Ng4 a5 44. Ne3 Bg8 45. Kc2 c4 46. bxc4
bxc4 47. f5 a4 48. Bf4 Kc6 49. e5 Kc5 50. e6 Bf6 51. Bh6 Kb5 52. Nd5 Bh7 53.
Ne3 Be7 54. Bg7 Bc5 55. Bd4 Be7 56. Kd2 Bg5 57. f6 Bg6 58. f7 Be7 59. Bg7 1-0

and with that, Killcrazy won his club's championship. 4/4 with one game to play, nobody can catch me.

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k. i drew with a grandmaster in a simul tonight. i demand this thread be revived.

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k. i drew with a grandmaster in a simul tonight. i demand this thread be revived.
and tonight I gave a simul. 14 players ranging from about 1100 to 1700 fide.

won 6, lost 3, drew 5.

exhausted now.

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After two heart-stopping games in the world championship this thread deserves a bump.

Based on the first two games what do we think about these game 3 props?

Game 3 - Total Number of Moves
Over 41.5 Moves 1.885
Under 41.5 Moves 1.935


Game 3 - Will the opening move be either d4 or e4?

Yes 1.247
No 4.090
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After two heart-stopping games in the world championship this thread deserves a bump.
we shouldn't be too surprised by a couple of careful draws. it's a very short format.

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Based on the first two games what do we think about these game 3 props?

Game 3 - Total Number of Moves
Over 41.5 Moves 1.885
Under 41.5 Moves 1.935
41.5 seems an odd place to set the line. the time control is at 40, and i would assume that a disproportionately high number of games end on the time control move. similarly, a disproportionately low number of games should end in the few moves either side of it.

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Game 3 - Will the opening move be either d4 or e4?

Yes 1.247
No 4.090
we'd just be guessing with this one. nobody knows what carlsen's long term opening strategy is. he certainly didn't play Nf3 by accident, he had a plan for game 3 when he did it. but we aren't privy to the conversations he's had with his seconds, and we might as well be betting on what colour socks he wears.

i'm more interested in the under/over in game 4. i can see the games where anand has white drawing to a halt (pun!) easier than the games where carlsen does. how carlsen approaches game 4 will depend on game 3. if he wins, i expect him to play something tight, possibly the caro again. if they draw, then once again i expect something tight; there's really no reason to change gear when you have black. of course if anand wins, then carlsen will almost certainly choose something violent, but i don't see anand winning with black tomorrow.

tl;dr: bet nothing in game 3, consider taking the under in game 4 before game 3 kicks off.

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i'm more interested in the under/over in game 4. i can see the games where anand has white drawing to a halt (pun!) easier than the games where carlsen does. how carlsen approaches game 4 will depend on game 3. if he wins, i expect him to play something tight, possibly the caro again. if they draw, then once again i expect something tight; there's really no reason to change gear when you have black. of course if anand wins, then carlsen will almost certainly choose something violent, but i don't see anand winning with black tomorrow.

tl;dr: bet nothing in game 3, consider taking the under in game 4 before game 3 kicks off.

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That does make a lot of sense. The pinny over\under for game 4 is currently the same as game 3. I am thinking Anand would be much more happy to settle for early draws and a tiebreak. Carlsen is clearly a favourite in tiebreakes but with a lot more variance then he is a favourite in the classical round.

If Carlsen wins Game 3, obviously Anand is going to have more incentive to play on in game 4. But your right move 41 is a very likely time for him to give up.

and my complete layman guess guess at why the Nf3 is just to get Anand off opening prep as soon as possible. Could be a indication of a few more slightly orthodox openings from Carlsen coming.

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and my complete layman guess guess at why the Nf3 is just to get Anand off opening prep as soon as possible. Could be a indication of a few more slightly orthodox openings from Carlsen coming.
folk have been getting themselves terribly excited about 1.Nf3, but it's really not that unorthodox. that knight generally ends up on f3 in the first few moves anyway, so 1.Nf3 will usually transpose to something standard. presumably he's trying to get queen pawn positions while sidestepping something in anand's repertoire against 1.d4. unfortunately i don't know his repertoire well enough to suggest what that might be.

in any case. today's game has a bit more fire in it.

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Very really entertaining game today.
It seems after 18. Ne2 that Anand had prep right into the mid 30s.

Pinny isn't offering over under on game 5 (at least yet)
But after two NF3 do you still think this is betting on what socks he will wear?

Fri 11/15 Game 5 - Will the opening be either d4 or e4?
Yes 1.535
No 2.520
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