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Old Jun 30, 2010, 2:06pm   #1
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Obv Traumspot aber was mach ich? Cold 5bet? Size? Call?
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Stacks:
UTG Jimknopf17 ($237.20)
UTG+1 SexyFunTimes ($362.25)
CO MikiOpasniy ($200)
BTN ChrisChamber ($341.20)
SB Shanyu ($265)
BB Hero ($431.30)

Pre-Flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BB
1 fold, SexyFunTimes raises to $6, MikiOpasniy raises to $18, 1 fold, Shanyu raises to $46, Hero ?
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Old Jun 30, 2010, 2:19pm   #2
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Du willst doch wohl keine 4bet cold-callen!? Mit welcher range solltest Du das tun, also welche Hände außer AA? Oder meinst Du, dass der original-raiser evtl. AK shippen könnte wenn Du callst, er bei einem cold-shove aber foldet? Also ich finde, dass ein coldcall hier stärker aussieht als ein shove.
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Old Jun 30, 2010, 2:22pm   #3
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@lejean: Was hältst du von einer min5Bet? Oder ist das zu auffällig?
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Old Jun 30, 2010, 2:23pm   #4
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Wir sind 180BB deep was is meine range für nen copld 5bet jam?
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Old Jun 30, 2010, 2:35pm   #5
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Wir sind 180BB deep was is meine range für nen copld 5bet jam?

Sorry, mein Fehler! Nicht gesehen, dass es deep ist.

Ich würde mal sagen, dass es - egal was Du hier tust - sehr schwierig wird nicht ausschließlich AA zu reppen. An UTG+1 Stelle würde ich mich - egal was Du tust - immer von AK trennen, QQ auf eine cold-5bet folden und bei einem call der 4bet vermutlich overcallen und postflop halt vorsichtig spielen. Wahrscheinlich wäre ich sogar mit KK sehr vorsichtig.

UTG+1 hat halt eine relativ weite range und wird hier sehr sehr tight weiter spielen. Die Frage ist, ob Du lieber etwas mehr value von UTG+1 und dafür weniger value von SB möchtest (SB könnte ja z.B. AK halten und am flop unimproved aufgeben), oder ob Du auf den value von UTG+1 verzichtest und dafür SB stackst. Ich glaub' ich würde mich hier darauf konzentrieren SB zu stacken. Ich würde also shoven und hoffen, dass er die stacksizes von Dir und UTG+1 nicht im Blick hat oder, dass er mit trotzdem stackt und hofft, dass Du die stacksizes nicht gesehen hast.
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Old Jun 30, 2010, 2:50pm   #6
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Hmm. No matter what you do you're going to look ridiculously strong here. I think 5betshoving looks weakest, so that's what I do.
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Old Jun 30, 2010, 4:21pm   #7
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ich will hier ziemlich sicher klein 5betten und nicht jammen.
das ist einfach ein idealer spot. seine cold4bet aus dem sb ist relativ häufig ein bluff. falls er hier bluffen kann, weiß er, dass du hier auch light sein kannst und erweitert denke ich seine valuerange ein klein wenig (so, dass er halt QQ und AK nicht mehr foldet) und mischt vielleicht(!) ein paar bluffs unter.
callen geht jedenfalls gar nicht.
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Old Jun 30, 2010, 6:55pm   #8
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insta min5bet dass es wie ein misclick aussieht
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ja corny als wenn du hier cold5bet bluffst lol

schieb den regler ganz nach rechts

aber so wesentlich ist die entscheidung nicht
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ja corny als wenn du hier cold5bet bluffst lol

schieb den regler ganz nach rechts

aber so wesentlich ist die entscheidung nicht
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