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Old Jun 30, 2010, 11:02pm   #1
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Default NL30 - TT turned into bluff in 3bet spot ?

$0.15/$0.30 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG --beet ($34.13)
CO Boroufs2 ($30)
BTN Hero ($32.54)
SB .Worst.Case. ($34.01) 17/14/4.0 3bet: 7% ( aus SB: 8% ) cbet: 57% 2nd barrel 50% auf 107 Hände
BB thaidinnotts ($6.31)

Pre-Flop: ($0.45, 5 players) Hero is BTN
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, .Worst.Case. raises to $2.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.35

Flop: ($4.50, 2 players)
.Worst.Case. bets $3.45, Hero calls $3.45

Turn: ($11.40, 2 players)
.Worst.Case. checks, Hero bets $7.50, .Worst.Case. calls $7.50

River: ($26.40, 2 players)
.Worst.Case. checks, Hero bets $19.49

ziemlich solider spieler, also machte einen guten eindruck. hat mich 1-2 mal ge3bettet wo ich nichts hatte und hier entschied ich mich zum call um mal zu gucken wie er sich in 3bet spots verhält.

ich glaube dass er schon ein denkender spieler ist und demzufolge denke ich auch dass der das board hier immer cbettet, deswegen floate ich hier um später den pot hoffentlich einzusacken.

gedankengänge ok und as played spewy oder ok ?
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Old Jun 30, 2010, 11:10pm   #2
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Flop würde ich mir gegen den schon überlegen. 17/14 ist schon sehr tight und wer preflop so spielt wird hier oft auch nicht c-betten mit air.

As played finde ich Turn ok aber River würde ich nicht bluffen. Was soll er folden was du nicht eh beat hast? wenn er JJ-KK am Turn called foldet er auch am river nicht genauso wie jedes Ax.
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Old Jun 30, 2010, 11:14pm   #3
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fold Flop
check Turn
check River

Der is mir zu nitty und die 3bet-Samplesize zu klein.
e: Und flop call is noch das das kleinste Problem an der Hand.

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Old Jun 30, 2010, 11:42pm   #4
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klar 17/14 ist tight. das sind auch die stats die mir HEM im replayer anzeigt, nach der session.

zum zeitpunkt der hand, also nach 60-70 hände waren die stats gar nicht soo nitty und ich hab mir halt schon etwas an FE ausgerechnet.

ich meine, ich bluff eigentlich überhaupt nicht auf dem limit aber hier wollte ich das mal testen und ich weiß auch nicht welche starke, hand ich ihm geben soll. AK/AQ barrelt wohl runter und gerade wenn er nitty zu sein scheint, glaube ich hier JJ-KK zum folden zu bringen.
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Old Jun 30, 2010, 11:57pm   #5
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Würd mich nich wundern wenn der mit AQ am Turn anfängt zu c/c.
Und QQ,KK checken fast immer Flop.
JJ bettet er vielleicht.
Also hast du fast alles was folded sowieso beat und gegen eventuelle 6 outs brauchst du nicht protecten.

Außerdem geh ich davon aus, dass wennn! er JJ-KK am Flop bettet und dann am Turn c/c warscheinlich auch noch den River auch noch hin und wieder callt.
Du hast halt auch noch paar missed FDs und deine Valuerange is auch nicht besonders groß.
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Old Jul 01, 2010, 12:02am   #6
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hast schon recht ... war hier wie gesagt nen versuch und wurde auch bestraft. semitilt war leider auch bei.
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TT würde ich preflop 4bet/call spielen und die 3bet lieber mit sowas wie AQ/KQ callen.
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TT würde ich preflop 4bet/call spielen und die 3bet lieber mit sowas wie AQ/KQ callen.
Hmm da kann er ja auf jedem rag flop barreln.
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Hmm da kann er ja auf jedem rag flop barreln.
Naja, sowas wie 88/99 würde ich nicht 4betten, sondern eher callen, also paar PPs habe ich da schon in meiner range.

Das Problem mit TT ist mMn einfach, dass es preflop eine sehr starke Hand ist, die aber postflop suuuuper schwer zu spielen ist. Wenn man preflop 4bet/call spielt, dann ist das (wenn überhaupt) höchstens ein kleiner Fehler, während der man postflop sehr große Fehler machen kann.

Dass villain dann ja jeden rag flop barreln kann, ist zwar theoretisch schon wichtig, hat mMn aber praktisch überhaupt keine Bedeutung, da wir nie die notwendige history mit ihm haben werden und er mit hoher Wahrscheinlichkeit sowieso nie adjusten würde.


Edit: Außerdem können wir einige reg flops (semi-)bluff shoven.
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TT würde ich preflop 4bet/call spielen und die 3bet lieber mit sowas wie AQ/KQ callen.
glaube ich nicht das das auf NL30 gegen einen Nit profitabel ist.
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