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Old Jul 25, 2010, 1:10am   #1
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Default NL 200 6max: Top2 on somewhat ugly Turn vs. Midstack - best Turnplay wanted^^

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($130.95)
UTG+1 ($200)
CO ($122.60)
Hero ($218.15)
SB ($206.40)
BB ($140)

Pre-Flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BTN
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, CO calls $2, Hero raises to $11, 2 folds, UTG folds, CO calls $9

Flop: ($27, 2 players)
CO bets $2, Hero raises to $22, CO calls $20

Turn: ($71, 2 players)
CO bets $2, [color=#cc0000][b]Hero ?

Villain ist obv. ein Vollpfosten mit folgenden Stats: 47&5 über nur 23 hands

Seine Mindonk/Callrange am Flop ist MP, TP, str8Draws, FDs.
Das selbige kann readless für die erneute MinDonk am Turn gelten (hab hier dann schon die improved Nuts gesehn, die inducen wollten - ich könnte ja nochmals raisen -, als auch weak Holdings).

Wenn man sich nun diese Range ansieht, die aus 2 Parts besteht, wird klar:

Part 1 = strong (hier haben mich fast alle Hands beat),
Part2 = weak und wird nochmas weaker durch den King. (bestenfalls hält er nun ein 2nd/3rdPair + str8Draws with club).


Was ist gegen diese Range nun das beste play?
Gegen part1 obv. nur call.
Gegen part 2 ist es schwierig:
Auf der einen seite will man protecten, auf der anderen Seite wird vieles (was wir beat haben) nicht mehr einem weiterem Raise Stand halten + Isolationgefahr vs. Part 1....


Wenn man raist welche Raisesize wählt man?
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Old Jul 25, 2010, 3:07am   #2
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pff. Flop 30$ und am Turn dann rein. Zwar scheiss board. Aber is haltn Donk.

As played. Naja ich könnt das nich b/f .

e: Ahso die Minbet ignorier ich idR. Ist haltn check. Deswegen b/f und nich r/f. Gibt manchmal Donks die c/f wenn se nix haben, minbet/(callen) aber wenn sie iwie connected haben. Wenn der so einer is, dann umso besser. Aber nach 23 Hand is das egal.

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Old Jul 25, 2010, 10:49am   #3
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Minbets als checks zu interpretieren ist ein guter Punkt und wenn man am flop schon in Betracht zieht, wie groß (bzw. klein) villains stack ist, dann sollte da schon ein klarer 2barreling-Plan bei rauskommen. Flop ~ $32, shove turn wäre hier meine line.
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Hab in der tat zu spät am Flop den Taschenrechner bedient um einen Turnshove aufzusetzen (Timebank war auf dem Tisch aufgebracht...).

Habt ihr ev. noch irgendwelche Meinungen zu meinen Überlegungen am Turn (as played) im Eingangspost?

danke schon mal soweit^^
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Habt ihr ev. noch irgendwelche Meinungen zu meinen Überlegungen am Turn (as played) im Eingangspost?
Ich würd mir da echt nich sone PLatte machen. Der kann hier von KT,KQ,Flushes,78,K6,JQ,A9,QT bla alles mögliche halten. Du musst auf jeden fall noch mal betten und bist dann committed mit 4outs zum Topfull und Top2 bei 1:3 oder 1:4 je nachdem was du so bettest. Da kommste as played nich mehr weg.

Denk einfach an KT,QK,K9, mancher Donkt taucht hier auf mit AK auf.

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Ich find einfach, dass wenn ich ein OP die Mühe macht und mit Rangeannahmen herkommt, dass 1-Statz-Comments respektlos sind, wenn man denn postet.

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Wenn man raist welche Raisesize wählt man?
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@FischersFritz: Jo, denk du hast da recht - thx soweit^^
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yeah, lol - and cute

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WTF LOL ist hier eigwntlich los ???

Vor 4 Jahren war das Forum besser als 2+2, jetzt sind nur noch nerds hier ausser ein paar alter Mitglieder die sich erbarmen.

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