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Old Sep 29, 2010, 10:53pm   #1
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Default Pure Bluff am River vs Callingstation?

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9, Q
UTG calls, MP calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, UTG calls, MP calls
Flop: (7.5 SB) 10, K, 10 (3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets, 1 fold, MP calls
Turn: (4.75 BB) 5 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets, MP calls
River: (6.75 BB) 4 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets
Total pot: $13.50 (6.75 BB) | Rake: $0.50

Beide über 60 VPIP, <10PFR und niedriger AF. Ich habe mich irgendwie commited mit einer marginalen Hand. Auf welcher Street gebe ich auf?
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Old Sep 29, 2010, 11:02pm   #2
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Turn check und freecards mitnehmen.

Aber find ich geil, dass der SB und BB bei den Odds folden.
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Old Sep 30, 2010, 12:45am   #3
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Old Sep 30, 2010, 9:26pm   #4
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danke, genau das wollte ich hören. irgendwie war ich overconfident...

einen so klaren check behind turn gibt es selten. ich muss mehr nachdenken.
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Old Oct 10, 2010, 1:20am   #5
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river bluffs sind immer pure bluffs

(ausser du versucht jemand vom chop zu bluffen..)
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Old Oct 10, 2010, 6:17pm   #6
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Ich dürfte einiges verpasst haben wenn man Q9s vom CO gegen zwei EP Spieler raised. Sag mal du musst ja, wenn ich mir die ganzen Hände so ansehe einen V$IP nahe 45% oder so haben. Ist das denn noch wirklich alles spielbar? Ich mein keine Ahnung, wenn du über 50.000-100.000 Hände so gespielt hast und eine positive winrate hast würde es mich schon interessieren.

Ja Turn würde ich auch checken, River hast du wohl sowieso die beste Hand gehabt außer QJ seh ich da nicht viel was er folden wird.
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ich finde das durchaus ok hier zu raisen ..
gegen die schelchten limper wollen wir ohnehin spielen .. und wenn wir nur overcallen is unsere range für potentielle gute spieler am bu oder in den blinds ziemlich obv ..

unsere equity preflop dürfte nicht weit von durchschnittsequity weg sein, sodass dieses balancing sehr günstig ist .. und es kann viel gutes postflop passieren .. wenn man dann natürlich sich genötigt fühlt zu 3barreln passiert nicht soviel gutes ;) ..
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ich finde das durchaus ok hier zu raisen ..
gegen die schelchten limper wollen wir ohnehin spielen .. und wenn wir nur overcallen is unsere range für potentielle gute spieler am bu oder in den blinds ziemlich obv ..
Was bringts wenn der gute button weiß das meine range eher schwächer ist wenn ich limpe? Ich würde da behind limpen und am Flop fit or fold spielen, mit der Hand würde ich es schon ok finden wenn der sb und der BB auch noch dabei bleiben.
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mit der Hand würde ich es schon ok finden wenn der sb und der BB auch noch dabei bleiben.
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wenn du 50% equity gegen den limper oder 33% gegen beide hier hast, dann willst du dass die blinds folden
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wenn du 50% equity gegen den limper oder 33% gegen beide hier hast, dann willst du dass die blinds folden
Er meint das in dem Sinne, wenn er hier nur limpt, dann will er einen möglichst großen Pot haben um entsprechend auf seine Outs callen zu können bzw. um gleich wegzuschmeissen.
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