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Old Oct 01, 2010, 3:16am   #11
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Which moon in our solar system was it that has a reducing atmosphere, water and organic molecules? Let's check there for reptiloids first.
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Old Oct 01, 2010, 3:18am   #12
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Is it just me, or are those that look for life going about it wrong?

I dunno, I guess my definition is pretty loose. I would define it as a self replicating system that is capable of evolving. (KC will probably come up with an example to say why this is wrong) Sure, carbon based is pretty likely since it tends to bond with itself, but I don't think it's a requirement. Maybe I'm a bit off topic, but I just wanted to get this out.

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Old Oct 01, 2010, 3:25am   #13
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Old Oct 01, 2010, 3:40am   #14
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Is it just me, or are those that look for life going about it wrong?
how would one go about it?

in any case, planet hunters arent looking for life, they're looking for planets. that some of them might support life is really just a way of selling science to the cavemen who control funding (which is also the most likely explanation for vogt forgetting what science is as detailed in my previous post).

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I dunno, I guess my definition is pretty loose. I would define it as a self replicating system that is capable of evolving. (KC will probably come up with an example to say why this is wrong)
capable of evolving...so we are only certain life exists if the theory of evolution is proven true?

the definition of life is still somewhat open, but everyone is more or less on the same page as to the criteria (metabolism, growth, reproduction, etc).

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Sure, carbon based is pretty likely since it tends to bond with itself, but I don't think it's a requirement.
suggest an alternative?

in any case, nobody is looking for carbon based life, merely life. we anticipate carbon as the most likely basis because anything else is, frankly, ludicrous. but whatever the basis is, we can be certain that a (liquid) solvent is required. water is by far the best candidate, so we look for water.

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Old Oct 01, 2010, 3:56am   #15
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If we send a colonisation ship there it wont arrive within a few 1000 years. They could actually send a faster one 200 years later and it would outrun the first one.

youd need quite the elaborate system for the people living on there. like theres gonna be 50 generations that will only ever live on that ship with life giving them nothing, so you better put a movie theater and a church on there.
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LOL, "scientist" are so funny.

This is just a remake of the all the "Big Foot" sightings in the 70s.
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Old Oct 01, 2010, 4:10am   #17
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Actually I typed it.
i know, you invented a word, but you were being rebuked for verbatim regurgitation and forcing me to take what was a perfectly pleasant thread about xenophobia, reptiloids and possibly the predator from the movie predator into a fucking science lesson.

but i can salvage it. because the thought occurs that any beings who evolved on this planet would be incapable of discerning the colour blue, making it impossible for them to fully appreciate the colours of the american flag. red dwarf? what you mean like lenin? can we really risk an invasion by space communists? space communist reptiloids who might be sensitive to infrared like the predator from the movie predator? you really think obama is going to save you? with his socialised health care and his minger of a wife everyone is still pretending is hot? the only reason we haven't already been invaded is that this planet is 20 light years away and they still think bush snr is in charge, come 2012 when clinton gets into power we're all fucked. 2012! that's like 911 only some of the numbers are different except the one which is also extra. the pope is the antichrist. otto von bismark isn't dead. dominos really do use frozen dough. the thule society needs our childrens blood to *eurgk* gfddddddddddddddddddd

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Old Oct 01, 2010, 4:29am   #18
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So that's why their pizzas are so terrible (they're WAY worse in Australia than the US)

Also, the scientist who said 100% has probably been misquoted or is an idiot (it seems likely that he meant to say he's 100% sure life exists somewhere other than earth, not specifically on this planet, in which case he's an idiot anyway)

That said if I had to go with yes or no and my life depended on it i'd say yes to carbon based life existing somewhere other than Earth in the universe. The likelihood of sentient life though seems less likely, since only one sentient species has evolved on earth (if it was even two that would make it immeasuably more likely)
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So that's why their pizzas are so terrible (they're WAY worse in Australia than the US)
They are actually better in the UK than the USA IMO.
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Old Oct 01, 2010, 5:37am   #20
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Also, the scientist who said 100% has probably been misquoted or is an idiot (it seems likely that he meant to say he's 100% sure life exists somewhere other than earth, not specifically on this planet, in which case he's an idiot anyway)
one would hope his confusion over how much 100% is has been misquoted, but overall he is giving the political answer that will get more money for space exploration rather than being a fat nerd in a homemade starfleet uniform at a comic book convention. the people who control the money supply are dumb and disinterested in anything that isn't themselves.

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That said if I had to go with yes or no and my life depended on it i'd say yes to carbon based life existing somewhere other than Earth in the universe. The likelihood of sentient life though seems less likely, since only one sentient species has evolved on earth (if it was even two that would make it immeasuably more likely)
i smell another argument about sentience brewing. lets use the word sapient instead.

i don't care for your logic. i would expect multiple contemporary protosapient species to interbreed and amalgamate. this is essentially what happened on Earth. furthermore, the number of sapient species to emerge on this planet is irrelevant to their emergence elsewhere, so long as the number is greater than zero.

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