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Old Jan 03, 2011, 3:56am   #1
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This was live 1-2 NLHE. It's from memory a few days ago, so some of the details may be off. I'm sitting on roughly $130, been up and down for a couple of hours, at a low point now. Villain has me covered by a lot, seems like one of the few competent players, pretty ABC TAG.

I'm the SB or BB (don't remember) and dealt KJdd. Villain is UTG or UTG+1 and raises to $8. Being that it's a live game 4 people call and I decide for $6 more to call. I don't like KJ in early pos, but I was getting bored, so whatever.

Flop comes JT6 two spades. Being first to act wanting to thin out the heard, I bet $25 in a roughly $45 dollar pot. Villain calls, everyone else folds making the pot $95 or so with me having just under $100.
Turn comes non spade 8. I check for pot control, he bets $30. I put him on at least a high jack - being that he raised, probably AJ, possibly QQ he was playing weak. He wasn't the type to play many draws. Thinking that I'm probably behind, but getting good odds, I decide to call leaving me with about $70.
Turn comes 7s completing the flush and straight draws.

Is this a good opportunity to jam bluff? My read is that he's fairly competent and could make that big lay down, but with the amount in the pot already, he doesn't have to be good all that often.

I'm trying to work on my bluffing game - yeah, I know it's pretty futile in live games, but there are some spots against the right people, and I'm trying to figure out where they are.

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Old Jan 03, 2011, 11:28am   #2
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The short answer is no

He's folding all worse and calling all better basically the way you played the hand. If i'm betting the flop for value, i'm committing on the safe turn for value. You can't bet the flop to 'find out where you are' in these spots since you've committed over a third of your stack and thats bad with a made hand that is unlikely to improve any further.

With that said, fold pre unless villain is completely spastic and opens any two etc

As played with the flop bet, we either bet to commit on the turn, checkraise all in or checkfold (with the last option making your preflop and flop actions horrible if we're not willing to play for stacks with tp2k)
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Old Jan 03, 2011, 7:24pm   #3
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Jam the turn if you're going to donk out on the flop like that. A better line is check-calling the flop.
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With that said, fold pre unless villain is completely spastic and opens any two etc
five guys already in, getting 7/1 on your money, call.

op is sailing in the wind here, no real semblance of strategy or control. leading into the flop is pretty ugly, you're as good as committing yourself to stack off blind on a later street with no idea where you are. check and re-evaluate.

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Old Jan 05, 2011, 12:37am   #5
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I don't really like my flop bet either. As played I ended up jamming, villain tanked and folded. I guess I was being results oriented.

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When the pot is the same size as your stack, I think the time for 'pot control' has passed?
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