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Old Jan 19, 2011, 9:27pm   #1
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Default NL100 sh / AA, pretty standard play?

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($120.15)
UTG+1 ($108.40)
CO ($118.25)
BTN ($238.05)
SB ($44.55)
Hero (BB) ($100)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is BB
3 folds, BTN raises to $3.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $12, BTN calls $8.50

Flop: ($24.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $13, BTN raises to $31.50, Hero calls $18.50

Turn: ($87.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $57, Hero calls $56.50


BTN: 23/18
Ft3B: 62%
Agg Freq: 45/29/24
WtSD/W$SD: 25/50
Hands: 10k


Gut am Flop nur zu callen, oder ist es fast schon egal was ich da mache?
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Old Jan 19, 2011, 9:35pm   #2
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Ich finds absolut gut so
du verpasst kein Value gegen TPGK, evtl spazz bluffs, keine häßlichen turncards, kommst eh all in

auch wenn ich nicht denke, dass es jetzt nen großen unterschied macht
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Old Jan 19, 2011, 9:43pm   #3
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ich geh am Flop rüber, Toppair stackt sowieso immer
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Old Jan 19, 2011, 9:45pm   #4
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call am flop is super jo

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Old Jan 19, 2011, 10:20pm   #5
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Finde nen shove am flop klar am besten. Seine range besteht mMn aus drei Teilen:

(1) Semi-bluff-part: TJ welches nen OESD hat und nicht mehr foldet (ob's gut ist das so zu spielen sei dahingestellt)
(2) Value-part: TP, seltener sets
(3) Pure bluffs. Gutshot oder so, kommt nicht so häufig vor.

Denke wenn er hier raist, dann ist Wahrscheinlichkeit klar (1) > (2) > (3)

Gegen (1) wäre es doof wenn er am turn behind checkt bzw. nur bettet wenn Du beat bist. Gegen (2) ist egal wie Du spielst und (3) wird am turn sowieso in den allermeisten Fällen kein Geld mehr investieren.

Blanke turns gegen (1) zu donken bringt Dir mMn auch nicht so viel, weil er da nicht mehr callen kann.
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Old Jan 19, 2011, 10:29pm   #6
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Finde nen shove am flop klar am besten. Seine range besteht mMn aus drei Teilen:

(1) Semi-bluff-part: TJ welches nen OESD hat und nicht mehr foldet (ob's gut ist das so zu spielen sei dahingestellt)
(2) Value-part: TP, seltener sets
(3) Pure bluffs. Gutshot oder so, kommt nicht so häufig vor.

Denke wenn er hier raist, dann ist Wahrscheinlichkeit klar (1) > (2) > (3)

Gegen (1) wäre es doof wenn er am turn behind checkt bzw. nur bettet wenn Du beat bist. Gegen (2) ist egal wie Du spielst und (3) wird am turn sowieso in den allermeisten Fällen kein Geld mehr investieren.

Blanke turns gegen (1) zu donken bringt Dir mMn auch nicht so viel, weil er da nicht mehr callen kann.
(1) ist aber nur eine einzige combo (2) und (3) sehr viele. Wie kommst du darauf das er das meistens hat? Und mit (3) wird er schon oft noch am turn was probeieren zu machen.

Und gibt dann immer noch Leute die hier ne Q auf ne flop 3-bet folden...
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Old Jan 19, 2011, 10:37pm   #7
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(1) ist aber nur eine einzige combo ...
, , , - für mich sind das vier combos

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... (2) und (3) sehr viele. Wie kommst du darauf das er das meistens hat?
Naja, würdest Du hier die c-bet mit KQ/AQ/QJ etc. raisen? Ich auch nicht. Macht halt nicht so viel Sinn, deswegen glaube ich nicht, dass er es oft macht. Naja und set zu raisen ist auch Quatsch. Wir v-betten ja sowieso wenn wir was haben und manchmal bluffen wir auch. Gegen bluffs verliert er value wenn er raist ... oder wir hitte noch was am turn mit AK/AJ.

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Und mit (3) wird er schon oft noch am turn was probeieren zu machen.
Na, wenn wir seinen raise auf dem board callen, dann wäre er schon ziemlich blöd wenn er den turn unimproved shoven würde. Tag mit W2SD/W$SD 25/50 macht das mMn nicht, zumindest nicht wenn er nicht auf tilt ist. Wir callen ja nie den flop-raise um am turn zu folden.

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Und gibt dann immer noch Leute die hier ne Q auf ne flop 3-bet folden...
Aber doch kein taggish regular ...
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Old Jan 19, 2011, 10:42pm   #8
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jesus, bring das am flop rein. glaubst er blufft weiter auf dem sandboard hier? ich nicht. aber vll findet er noch einen fold mit AQ/whatever wenn der turn beschissen kommt.
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Old Jan 19, 2011, 11:59pm   #9
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Na gut, k.a. hier hatte er und ich fand meine Line "genial" weil ich eben genau diesen Part am Flop mit einem push zum folden gebracht hätte.
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Old Jan 20, 2011, 9:19am   #10
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Na gut, k.a. hier hatte er und ich fand meine Line "genial" weil ich eben genau diesen Part am Flop mit einem push zum folden gebracht hätte.
Ohne turned diamond-draw hätte er hier am turn wohl kein Geld mehr reingebracht. Ich denke in dem Fall hast Du jetzt "Glück" gehabt, dass er die Hand am fop geraised hat und, dass das board so kam wie es kam.

Hmmm ... wenn man davon ausgeht, dass er am flop sowas wie gutshot + backdoor FD raist, dann kann schon sein, dass man von diesen bluffs noch gut was bekommt wenn man flop nur callt.

Hat er KTs, KJs, T8s oder foldet er das pre?
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