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Old Jan 21, 2011, 1:13am   #1
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$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Holdem
6 Players

Stacks:
UTG ($52.94)
UTG+1 ($20.68)
Hero ($61.33)
BTN ($82.04)
SB ($50.25)
BB ($109.97)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is CO
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, BTN calls $2, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.75, 3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $4.25, BTN calls $4.25, UTG+1 calls $4.25

Turn: ($19.50, 3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $14.50, UTG+1 calls $14.43, Hero ???



BTN ist 26/18/29 nach 2k hands.

MP ist 56/2/17 nach 50 hands


Turn muss ich MP wohl selber AI setzen? Und wenn BTN Turn callt, dann spiele ich River c/f? Ich wußte nciht ob ich 30bb am Turn reinpacken kann und von BTN mit QJ JT gecallt werde? Flop Floats seh ich bei ihm keine. Mit TT wird er nciht bluffen. Er hat ja auch alle Sets drin + AJ. Joa Turn war ein Verlegenheitscheck.

Nach dem Turnbet und Call, auf QJ bei BTN hoffen ist wohl etwas zu optimistisch?
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Old Jan 21, 2011, 11:20am   #2
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deine hand is zu weak um da zu c/callen imo
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Old Jan 21, 2011, 11:43am   #3
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Ich hätte den turn wohl selbst nochmal gebettet. QJ, TJ, 88-TT zahlen meist nochmal und bessere Hände sind ja nur sets.

As played calle ich die bet weil ich denke, dass er am river nicht bluffen wird. Ist kein schöner call, aber MP kann alles haben und BTN muss auch nicht zwangsläufig stark sein, da Du dem turn ja meist aufgibst wenn Du checkst.
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Old Jan 21, 2011, 11:49am   #4
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Ich hätte den turn wohl selbst nochmal gebettet. QJ, TJ, 88-TT zahlen meist nochmal und bessere Hände sind ja nur sets.
Glaubst wirklich dass er mit 88-TT nochmal callt, nachdem Hero 2x gegen 2 Leute anspielt? Und wieso soll BTN nicht AJ haben können? Ist meiner Meinung nach seine wahrscheinlichste Hand.
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Old Jan 21, 2011, 12:00pm   #5
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Ich hätte den turn wohl selbst nochmal gebettet. QJ, TJ, 88-TT zahlen meist nochmal und bessere Hände sind ja nur sets.

As played calle ich die bet weil ich denke, dass er am river nicht bluffen wird. Ist kein schöner call, aber MP kann alles haben und BTN muss auch nicht zwangsläufig stark sein, da Du dem turn ja meist aufgibst wenn Du checkst.
er sollte schon nur Jx betten am Turn

BTN 3bet wäre interessant von ihm ob er z.b. TT/AJ 3bettet pre
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Glaubst wirklich dass er mit 88-TT nochmal callt, nachdem Hero 2x gegen 2 Leute anspielt? Und wieso soll BTN nicht AJ haben können? Ist meiner Meinung nach seine wahrscheinlichste Hand.
Also der Fisch (MP) zahlt mMn definitiv nochmal mit 88-TT, 7x und vielen schwächeren Jx-Händen.

BNT sieht von den stats her jetzt auch nicht unbedingt nach super gutem Spieler aus. Die gap zwischen V$PIP und PFR ist bei ihm ziemlich hoch, d.h. er wird pre wohl sehr weit callen. J8s, J9s, TJ(s), QJ, KJ ... AJ. Kann schon sein, dass AJ seine wahrscheinlichste Hand ist wenn er am turn bettet, aber wenn er am river nicht blufft und nicht schwächeres dreimal v-bettet, dann genügt es uns ja in 25% der Fälle die beste Hand zu halten, damit der turn ein call ist. Ich denke sogar, dass das ein ziemlich einfacher call ist.
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er sollte schon nur Jx betten am Turn
Habe ich irgendwo geschrieben, dass er lighter bettet? Ich meinte nur, dass zumindest einer der beiden lighter callen wird als nur mit Jx.
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As played calle ich die bet weil ich denke, dass er am river nicht bluffen wird. Ist kein schöner call, aber MP kann alles haben und BTN muss auch nicht zwangsläufig stark sein, da Du dem turn ja meist aufgibst wenn Du checkst.
joah indirekt..

wenn du denkst das wir gegen seine betting range vorne sind
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joah indirekt..

wenn du denkst das wir gegen seine betting range vorne sind
Wir müssten nicht gegen seine betting-range vorne sein um nen +EV call zu haben.
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Old Jan 21, 2011, 2:46pm   #10
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Wir müssten nicht gegen seine betting-range vorne sein um nen +EV call zu haben.
ye ok.. is iwie nur so weird weil eindeutig mehr value im betten ist imo
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