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Old Jan 23, 2011, 10:19am   #1
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Default NL100 sh / KTs, oop calldown?

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($72.20)
UTG+1 ($101.40)
CO ($231.70)
BTN ($118.45)
Hero (SB) ($108.10)
BB ($60.30)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is SB
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 raises to $4.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $4, 1 fold, UTG folds

Flop: ($11, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($23, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $12, Hero calls $12

River: ($47, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $24


UTG+1: 25/21
Stats aus UTG+1 Posi: 26/25
CBet: 61/50/63
Agg Freq: 40/28/23
WtSD/W$SD: 37/47
Hands: 6.9k


Seine Betsizes sprechen imo nicht für ne starke Hand. Easy calldown?
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Old Jan 23, 2011, 11:39am   #2
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gegen 25 pfr aus utg+1 + den fish limper davor würd ich pre schon 3betten.. er foldet nen guten amount und wenn er callt hast du ne gute hand + initiative

postflop is schon meh

flop call ok wenn du glaubst er gibt oft am Turn auf.. aber kommen schon viele karten die du nicht sehen willst

Turn call ok wenn du denkst er bettet J9s AJ ect weiter kannst du callen ... less likely er hat ne Q etc

river ist schon nen fold imo... seh nicht sooo viele bluffs in seiner range und glaub schon das der J ihn gut hittet + er genau die size wählen würde
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Old Jan 23, 2011, 11:41am   #3
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Flop bis river zeight Dir hier mMn relativ gut warum preflop richtig schlecht ist.
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Old Jan 23, 2011, 12:37pm   #4
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ach pre ist schon ok,
du musst dir nur auch mal die szenarien überlegen wo wir kein guessinggame haben sondern die gegner easy bluffen/bluffen lassen können lejean. ob das allerdings mehr wert ist als überschlagene 3-5bb pre mitzunehmen hängt von den ownageskills postflop ab. leichter ist es auf jedenfall preflop

zur hand, scheisse gelaufen, river ist echt worst case - muckamente!
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Old Jan 23, 2011, 12:48pm   #5
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ach pre ist schon ok,
du musst dir nur auch mal die szenarien überlegen wo wir kein guessinggame haben sondern die gegner easy bluffen/bluffen lassen können lejean. ob das allerdings mehr wert ist als überschlagene 3-5bb pre mitzunehmen hängt von den ownageskills postflop ab. leichter ist es auf jedenfall preflop

zur hand, scheisse gelaufen, river ist echt worst case - muckamente!
Schon klar, dass es Scenarien gibt über die wir uns freuen. Die Frage ist nur, wie oft solche Situationen auftreten.

Wir wissen außerdem nichtmal mit welcher range UTG+1 hier den limper isoliert. Tut er das loose oder eher tight. Hat er kleine PPs/Axs/SCs? Ist er guter regular oder donkig? Haben wir reads auf ihn?

Rein equity-mässig haben wir gegen die Top20%-Hände nur 45% equity. Gegen die Top25% sind es 47.5% und erst gegen die Top32% aller Hände haben wir > 50%. Dazu kommen der Positions-Nachteil und die Tatsache, dass wir keine Intiative haben. Klar ist es nicht korrekt nur auf die equity zu schauen, aber KTs hat schon starkes 2nd-best-hand-Potential und spielt sich da im Gegensatz zu beispielsweise PPs einfach schlecht.

Keine Ahnung, wie Du das profitabel bekommen willst.
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Old Jan 23, 2011, 1:27pm   #6
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Zu preflop: Hmmm..k.a. er foldet halt nicht gern auf 3Bets. Sein Ft3B Wert liegt bei 55%. Wenn er dann callt hab ich postflop imo noch ein größeres Prob da ich mich da gern selbst verstricke. Wie spielt ihr denn am Flop auf diesem Board wenn das ganze 3bettamente pre war?
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Wenn Du nicht 3betten magst, dann gibt es immer noch die Option zu folden.
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Wenn Du nicht 3betten magst, dann gibt es immer noch die Option zu folden.
Dafür ist KTs gegen einen 26/25 aber imo zu gut für.
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Wenn Du nicht 3betten magst, dann gibt es immer noch die Option zu folden.
Ist die angenehmste. Ich snapmucke das, schockt einfach nicht sone Misthand oop zu spielen.
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Dafür ist KTs gegen einen 26/25 aber imo zu gut für.
nah das macht wenig sinn...

wenn sie gut genug zum callen ist, ist sie erst recht gut genug für 3bet...

würd hier sagen 3bet > fold > call in dem spot
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