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Old Jan 23, 2011, 10:28am   #1
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$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG ($236.37)
UTG+1 ($127.50)
CO ($92)
BTN ($100)
Hero (SB) ($100.50)
BB ($100)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is SB
3 folds, BTN raises to $2.50, Hero calls $2, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($7.50, 3 players)
Hero bets $5.50, BB calls $5.50, BTN calls $5.50

Turn: ($24, 3 players)
Hero bets $15, BB folds, BTN raises to $40


BB: 17/13

BTN: 24/19
Agg Freq: 40/32/19
WtSD/W$SD: 22/50
Hands: 15k


Meine Donkbets standard?

Und lol Turn. Nach der Line möchte ich ihm eigentlich nur QJ und höhere Sets geben und einen soulreadfold hinlegen.
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Old Jan 23, 2011, 10:42am   #2
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Der einzige snap-fold, den ich hier sehe wäre preflop.

Flop ist standard.

Am turn verstehe ich die betsize nicht. Warum willst Du, dass der pot bei einem caller am river $54 gross ist, wenn Du dann noch $77 behind hast.

Der raise am turn sieht schon stark aus, vor allem weil er sicherlich weiss, dass $40 = shove ist, eber aber nicht shovt um Dich im pot zu halten.

Glaubst Du er callt am flop mit overset last to act nur? Glaubst Du er callt am flop mit 88?

Er glaube, dass er nen Haufen T8 und 89 haben kann, gerade weil er BTN ist und am flop nur callt.

Shove!
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Old Jan 23, 2011, 10:44am   #3
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Glaubst Du er callt am flop mit overset last to act nur? Glaubst Du er callt am flop mit 88?

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2x JA als Antwort. Gerade als last to act finde ich einen call aus seiner Sicht nicht schlecht.
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Old Jan 23, 2011, 11:04am   #4
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2x JA als Antwort. Gerade als last to act finde ich einen call aus seiner Sicht nicht schlecht.
Warum bitte sollte es "nicht schlecht" sein, hier im 3way pot last to act mit einem set nicht zu raisen? So viele Karten die schlecht sind, entweder weil sie ne besser Hand machen oder die action killen. An der Stelle mit nem set nur zu callen halte ich für ziemlich fahrlässig.

Selbst wenn er alle sets und QJ haben kann. Sobald T8/89 möglich ist kannst Du nicht mehr folden.
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Old Jan 23, 2011, 11:32am   #5
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hast doch ~22% gegen QJ

sets seh ich jetzt auch nicht wirklich in seiner range außer 88 3combos .. und er nen bisschen 2pair hat bist du mitm shove gut dabei
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Old Jan 23, 2011, 12:13pm   #6
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preflop eher fold
flop geht viel
turn ist schon krass imo, denke nicht das er da viel schlechteres raised (9T raised da nicht glaub ich) bzw. blufft (mit was auch nach der flopaction)
ich fold auch
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Old Jan 23, 2011, 1:21pm   #7
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Warum bitte sollte es "nicht schlecht" sein, hier im 3way pot last to act mit einem set nicht zu raisen? So viele Karten die schlecht sind, entweder weil sie ne besser Hand machen oder die action killen. An der Stelle mit nem set nur zu callen halte ich für ziemlich fahrlässig.

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Sorry, verstehs immer noch nicht warum call so schlecht sein sollte.
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Old Jan 23, 2011, 1:27pm   #8
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Sorry, verstehs immer noch nicht warum call so schlecht sein sollte.
Mit set hat er am flop super viel equity, d.h. mit jedem zusätzlichen $ im pot macht er Gewinn. Wenn er da raist, dann sammelt er von jedem caller nochmal zusätzlich $$$ ein. Das gilt vor allem gegen draws, die auf den raise nicht folden. Gute overpairs/2pair folden auch nicht. Alles was foldet hätte am turn sowieso nicht mehr investiert. Das ist einfach ein value raise und gleichzeitig auch for protection, da auf dem board schon einige draws möglich sind.
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Old Jan 23, 2011, 1:31pm   #9
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Ok, danke.
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turn raise musst du mindestens auf full house outs callen, auch wenns asi ist

und wenn du willst kannst du dann river clubs donk shoven als bluff
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