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Old Jan 23, 2011, 8:31pm   #1
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Default NL100 sh / AK vs. 4Bet caller ohne Hit, Bet?

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($34)
UTG+1 ($234.80)
Hero (CO) ($105.50)
BTN ($92)
SB ($103)
BB ($173.30)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is CO
2 folds, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, SB raises to $10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $23, SB calls $13

Flop: ($47, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($47, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($47, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks


SB: 24/16
3Bet: 8%
Stats aus SB Posi: 28/14 3Bet: 9%
Ft4B: 29%
4Bet Range: 4,2%
Agg Freq: 44/35/18
WtSD/W$SD: 30/42
Hands: 1.8k


Werde zu selten mit 4Bet Caller konfrontiert. Weiß von daher gar nicht was solche Menschen halten könnten. (Ich hab zumindest keine 4Bet calling Range)

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Old Jan 23, 2011, 8:41pm   #2
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wenn er callt hat er so AQ/99-TT/ KQ etc was er nich jammen ; aber auch nicht folden will

gegen die range ist check flop super und ich würds einfach downchecken..

river hittet ihn schon... würd da nich versuchen zu bluffen

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Old Jan 23, 2011, 8:55pm   #3
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Auf keinen Fall irgendwo betten mMn.

Gegen 4bet caller spiele ich meist check-call auf allen streets solange keine Queen auf dem board liegt.
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Old Jan 23, 2011, 9:10pm   #4
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Auf keinen Fall irgendwo betten mMn.

Gegen 4bet caller spiele ich meist check-call auf allen streets solange keine Queen auf dem board liegt.
Das ergibt welchen Sinn? Das heißt du gibst denen nur AQ,KQ und das wars?
Da soll c/c auf allen Streets wirklich gut gegen sein?
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Old Jan 23, 2011, 9:43pm   #5
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Das ergibt welchen Sinn? Das heißt du gibst denen nur AQ,KQ und das wars?
Da soll c/c auf allen Streets wirklich gut gegen sein?
Ja so ungefähr ist das der Sinn von dem Ganzen. Manchmal hat auch einer Aces, aber meistens haben die schon irgendeinen random-Quark und glauben halt, Dich postflop von AK runter zu bekommen. Dass einer mit 88 pre erst 3bettet und dann die 4bet callt um anschließend seinen stack wegzubarrelln ... kommt echt seltenst vor.
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4bet wird gecallt = KQ, AJ, AQ, KJ

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem

Stacks:
Hero ($462.60)
BTN ($547.20)
SB ($672.90)
BB ($468.20)

Pre-Flop: ($6, 4 players) Hero is CO
Hero raises to $12, BTN raises to $35, 2 folds, Hero raises to $88, BTN calls $53

Flop: ($182, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $110, Hero calls $110

Turn: ($402, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($402, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN goes all-in $349.20, Hero goes all-in $264.60

Final Pot: $931.20
Hero shows HIGH_CARD ACE

BTN shows HIGH_CARD ACE


Hero wins $941.20 (net +$466.60)
BTN collects $84.60 (net -$462.60)
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b/call den flop
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Wenn wir Villains hier nach einem 4Bet Call immer nur KQ, AJ, AQ Hands usw. geben und eh immer broke gehen sollten, dann wäre eine kleine Bet am Flop besser um ihn noch zu irgendeinem random move zu bewegen?

Auf was für eine Samplesize bezieht sich die Annahme dass bei 4Bet calls mehr "Crap" als Monster zu sehen sind?
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Old Jan 24, 2011, 9:32am   #9
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Wenn wir Villains hier nach einem 4Bet Call immer nur KQ, AJ, AQ Hands usw. geben und eh immer broke gehen sollten, dann wäre eine kleine Bet am Flop besser um ihn noch zu irgendeinem random move zu bewegen?
Warum sollte ihn eine kleine bet eher zum moven bewegen als ein check?

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Auf was für eine Samplesize bezieht sich die Annahme dass bei 4Bet calls mehr "Crap" als Monster zu sehen sind?
Soweit ich mich erinnern kann waren die letzten 4bet calls mit
57s
AJ
KQ
AA
AQ
danach hört meine Erinnerung auf. Ich kann aber mal in HEM nachschauen, aber erst heute Abend.

Sample-size ist natürlich nicht sehr gross, aber andere werden Dir ähnliches sagen.
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Warum sollte ihn eine kleine bet eher zum moven bewegen als ein check?



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