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Old Mar 22, 2011, 9:22pm   #71
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I shove Q7 are you telling me there is a person out there that always calls with K7+ but folds always folds J7 and worse?
But the guy we are talking about has K7 and J7 and such a small part of his range at the river that it is negligible.
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Old Mar 22, 2011, 10:07pm   #72
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But the guy we are talking about has K7 and J7 and such a small part of his range at the river that it is negligible.
you are missing the point but here:

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I shove Q7 are you telling me there is a person out there that always calls with K7+ but folds always folds J7 and worse?
better?
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Old Mar 22, 2011, 10:23pm   #73
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OK i'll bite here - what was the action up to the river - what do you have as his range - what reads do you have on his style?
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Old Mar 22, 2011, 10:58pm   #74
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OK i'll bite here - what was the action up to the river - what do you have as his range - what reads do you have on his style?

Ace: raises $0.04 to $0.06
Kc: calls $0.04
*** FLOP *** [6d 7h kd]
Kc: checks
Ace: bets $0.06
Kc: raises $0.20 to $0.26
Ace: calls $0.20
*** TURN *** [6d 7h kd] [5c]
Kc: bets $0.44
Ace: calls $0.44
*** RIVER *** [6d 7h kd 5c] [8h]
Kc: checks
Ace: Bets$1.25


read is he is a solid HU player who is on the tighter side of winning HU players
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lets simplify the game enormously, we are playing whose card is higher, there is $0 in the pot.
we have a 7...
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thats all fine, and might happen. but you can't intend that.

so in game. you are on the river with a 7. you bet it? cause know he call a 6 more often than an 8? not possible.
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thats all fine, and might happen. but you can't intend that.

so in game. you are on the river with a 7. you bet it? cause know he call a 6 more often than an 8? not possible.
yeah that's what i get for changing the example midpost and not checking i hadn't spunked it up the wall. so stick some money in the pot before action starts and change the numbers round, carefully balanced so that the situation would be -EV if he either never called a 6 or never folded an 8.

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ok I just a realiazation thinking about hand 1 posted here, where Hero should fold but call


there can be spots like this

our jamming range is nuts/air
villains range to call a jam is nuts/bluffcatchers

villain calls all nuts and has to call a percentage of bluffcatchers as well. In selecting which bluffcatchers to call with, the absolute hand strength is irrelevant as we have nuts or air, thus he decides to call with the ones that block our nut combos. This results in villain calling weaker hands (in absolute terms) than he folds.

Now we could potentially jam some mergers, that beat his weak (blocker-) bluffcatchers, but lose to his strong (non-blocker) bluffcatchers. Those jams would then fold out stronger hand and get called by worse hands.

That's not a stable strategy but it's certainly possible to actually do that at the table.
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now it's pretty enlightening
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