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Old Sep 11, 2011, 7:11pm   #1
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9 players, 1000/2000, ante 100

UTG, with a stack of ~12000 goes all-in

Action is folded to button with a stack of roughly 16000, who is notified that it is his turn to act since he seems to be thinking of something else...so he reaches for some chips, says "call" and puts in chips corresponding to the big blind....player on big blind responds immediately to this action but player on button just looks up and seems surprised...

It turned out the player on the button had been distracted and somehow was not aware of the fact that there was a player all-in before him.

How would you resolve this situation? What do you think happened?
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Old Sep 11, 2011, 7:53pm   #2
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9 players, 1000/2000, ante 100

UTG, with a stack of ~12000 goes all-in

Action is folded to button with a stack of roughly 16000, who is notified that it is his turn to act since he seems to be thinking of something else...so he reaches for some chips, says "call" and puts in chips corresponding to the big blind....player on big blind responds immediately to this action but player on button just looks up and seems surprised...

It turned out the player on the button had been distracted and somehow was not aware of the fact that there was a player all-in before him.

How would you resolve this situation? What do you think happened?
there's nothing to resolve and no ambiguity, he called the raise.

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Old Sep 11, 2011, 8:40pm   #3
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he has to call

reminds me of the 2003 main event with like 50 left, doyle moved in UTG with queens and some fish on the button declared raise but all he wanted to do is steal the blinds with some trashhand.
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Old Sep 12, 2011, 7:23am   #4
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For this trick to work out more often, make sure that when you go all in, cover your chips with your hands while the other players act.
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Old Sep 12, 2011, 10:47pm   #5
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For this trick to work out more often, make sure that when you go all in, cover your chips with your hands while the other players act.
which trick? blind down to 6 BBs?
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Old Sep 13, 2011, 9:18am   #6
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For this trick to work out more often, make sure that when you go all in, cover your chips with your hands while the other players act.
which trick? blind down to 6 BBs?
I certainly know that trick too but I haven't found it very useful

My point was to hide your all-in bet with your hands to improve chances to get a caller with a junk hand, just make sure that the chips are inside the area of the bet-line of the poker table.

Keeping bigvalued chips in your stack will help as well, of course...
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which trick? blind down to 6 BBs?
I certainly know that trick too but I haven't found it very useful

My point was to hide your all-in bet with your hands to improve chances to get a caller with a junk hand, just make sure that the chips are inside the area of the bet-line of the poker table.

Keeping bigvalued chips in your stack will help as well, of course...
try doing that, see where it gets you.

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if he puts in the big blind amount and says nothing it is up to what rules you are playing under. if he says call he called.


as for what happed the button won that is just how that shit works.
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if he puts in the big blind amount and says nothing it is up to what rules you are playing under. if he says call he called.


as for what happed the button won that is just how that shit works.
True story...here it unfolds:

I was on the button and was looking down on my phone while I held it beneath
the edge of the poker poker table when I was notified by the dealer that it was
my turn to act. I looked at my hole cards and then had a look around the table
and registered no chips in sight (because the player UTG covered his chips by
his hands) so I said "call" and put in chips to call the big blind.

At that instant, the player on the big blind said "watch your mouth!" and I
instantly looked at him and replied with a surprised "what!?". He shook his
head and replied by saying something like "I'm just saying...".

I looked back at the table and saw the player UTG uncover the chips he had
pushed all-in. My eyebrows stretched very high but did not quite reach the
ceiling...

The dealer realized I had acted in good faith so he called over a manager to
make a decision. The dealer presented the issue to the manager and I filled in
by explaining that I thought I was first to act and called the big blind because
that would be the correct move to do when calling.

The manager asked me whether I "totally missed it" (referring to player UTG,
who went all-in preflop) and I answered truthfully "Yes".

The manager decided to let my chips be treated as some kind of dead, posted
blind. Players on small blind and big blind folded, and UTG won 2.5 blinds
instead of 1.5.

For the german forum readers it might be fun to know that this happened
at Spielbank Berlin, in September 2011. It was a "secret bounty" tournament
and long before this issue I happened to take out a bounty target player and
got rewarded with a decent bounty.

Just before the final table I called an all-in preflop with pocket sevens after
figuring my holding was likely to be a little ahead.

My 77 up against AQs, and the flop came rainbow 257, only to
destroy the set by giving turn 4 and river 3.

I had roughly 2.5BB left, but there were other players who busted so I
final tabled the tournament anyway. There I was dealt insane sucker holdings
and I even folded 82 UTG, even though I should have pushed with worse
than ATC.

Final hand I held K5o on BB and somehow I got to check to see a 3-way flop
(quite insane, I guess the entire table colluded to make fun of me)
which came 242, giving me "tons of outs" for such hole cards.

So I pushed, only to see turn and river come 8 and Q. One of the other players
held A8 and the other one took the pot with some Qx hand.
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I assume many have seen this by now, somewhat similar to your hand:

Baumann in particular may be feeling a little hard done by given a hand which occurred in Day 4 which ought (more than likely) to have sent one of the current chip leaders (second placed Andras Koroknai) to the rail and bumped Baumann up the rankings. The hand in question was controversial to say the least. When play reached Koroknai in said hand he announced all in and shoved all his remaining chips into the pot, then, thinking his opponents had folded mucked his hand. However, Baumann, who had initially min-raised was in fact still in the pot. In their wisdom the floor decided that as the hand was dead that Baumann should only receive 60k (the amount she had raised to preflop) from her opponent. As it turned out, Baumann, who had her opponent covered, had pocket kings and in all likelihood had her opponent crushed. What must be doubly frustrating for Baumann is that it was Koroknai who eventually busted her in 10th place, just a couple of hands after she had doubled up to over 5 million. Incidentally it was Koroknai who also put out Elisabeth Hille in a seven million chip pot where his 77 outlasted Hille's AhQh all in pre-flop.

I am of opinion that rules should be bent went the intent of the player is clear but still the player has responsibilty to follow the action.

A crucial difference between the hands is you still had cards.
As a floor I probably rule you all in.
Not as sure what I would do as the floor in the WSOP hand.

Also - dont limp the BTN
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