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Old Nov 05, 2011, 1:50pm   #1
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Default NL30 sh / J7, 3Bet, Linecheck

$0.15/$0.30 No Limit Holdem
4 Players
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Stacks:
CO ($43.44)
BTN ($56.41)
SB ($106.18)
matpio (BB) ($54.87)

Pre-Flop: ($0.45, 4 players) matpio is BB
CO raises to $0.90, 2 folds, matpio raises to $3, CO calls $2.10

Flop: ($6.15, 2 players)
matpio bets $3.45, CO calls $3.45

Turn: ($13.05, 2 players)
matpio checks, CO bets $6.60, matpio calls $6.60

River: ($26.25, 2 players)
matpio checks, CO bets $13.10


CO: 23/19
Ft3B: 70%
WtSD/W$SD: 22/70
Hands: 670


Ähnliche Hand wie meine Q5s Hand. Nur dass ich jetzt Turn checke anstatt zu betten. ^^ Denke er floated oft genug so dass c/c am Turn besser ist.
River ist dann aber wohl leider eher ein fold als call oder?
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Old Nov 05, 2011, 3:10pm   #2
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du meinst er blufft Turn nur einmal und gibt River dann auf?

denke schon bet Turn ist besser

und Pre ist leicht loose
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Old Nov 05, 2011, 3:14pm   #3
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ist ja nicht mal suited^^

as played ka. der geringe wts schaut nen bischen bluffy, wie aggro ist er den so?

AQ, KQ kann gut sein, allerdings auch bessere Jx Hands.

also wenn der 4bet Wert passt und er postflop relativ agressiv ist würd ich den River schon callen wollen.

fand spaldings post bei der Q5s Hand sehr sinnvoll, ist ja auch so das das ganze postflop sehr Fehleranfällig und Varianzreich ist, also man kann sich solche Spots definitiv auch schenken.
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Das ich das mal erleben darf, 2x mit der schlechteren Hand reingeschoben und tatsächlich gewonnen. Wahnsinn.

aber wahr.
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Old Nov 05, 2011, 3:57pm   #4
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Old Nov 05, 2011, 4:04pm   #5
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Was ist denn jetzt schon wieder "oh man"?

Da les ich mir die Posts aus der Q5s Hand sorgfältig durch, spiel diese Hand dann entsprechend anders/besser und dann ist es auch falsch?

Ja ne is klar.
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Old Nov 05, 2011, 4:13pm   #6
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Ca. 35% aller starting-hands sind besser als Q5s
Ca. 48% aller starting-hands sind besser als J7o

--> Q5s >> J7o und nicht nur weil es ne besserer starting-hand ist, sondern auch wegen besserer playability aufgrund suitedness.

Wenn Q5s nicht so bombe zum preflop 3betten ist (boubleboy und spalding haben das geschrieben, also isses in Stein gemeisselt), warum nimmst Du dann die noch viel schlechtere Hand J7o und dann noch in einer Situation wo Du mit villain deep bist, d.h. er weiter callen kann und Du daher oft postflop spielen muss.

Tu dir selbst nen Gefallen und nimm den fold to 3bet Wert aus dem HUD raus wenn Du jedes mal gleich nen Orgasmus kriegst nur weil da bei irgend jemandem ne Zahl über 66% steht. Poker ist nicht eindimensional.
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Old Nov 05, 2011, 4:51pm   #7
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spiel erstmal solide und vermeide high variance spots oop mit deepen stacks

denk die meisten deiner gegner verstehen nicht wie schlecht die river karte ist (die gesamte turn c/c range kann bei der karte einen call finden, im gegensatz zu Q oder K river) und haben keine lust 98 und Q9 in so einem großen pot behind zu checken.
wir blocken keine bluffs, einen teil seiner value range und es würde mich auch nicht überraschen, wenn auf dem limit QJ gechecked wird am river. kann bei den odds nicht folden

die 2 boards sind schon sehr verschieden. hier gibt es overcards und straight draws von denen du value bekommen kannst/ die equity gegen deine hand haben. sobald er 2 karten höher als 7 hat ist mindestens ein gutshot dabei. bei der anderen hand gab es mehr hände die am flop+turn beinahe drawing dead waren und dann ist bluff induce > bet for value+protection.
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Old Nov 05, 2011, 7:32pm   #8
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Hm..ich glaub ich hab in beiden Hands gepflegt übersehen dass wir mehr als 100BB haben und er in der Tat mehr callen wird.
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