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Old Nov 14, 2011, 10:06am   #1
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Default NL30 sh / KT, wie hoch am Turn raisen?

$0.15/$0.30 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($18.32)
UTG+1 ($29.80)
CO ($45.70)
BTN ($23.16)
matpio (SB) ($41.30)
BB ($47.05)

Pre-Flop: ($0.45, 6 players) matpio is SB
UTG calls $0.30, 3 folds, matpio raises to $1.20, BB calls $0.90, UTG raises to $2.10, matpio calls $0.90, BB calls $0.90

Flop: ($6.30, 3 players)
matpio checks, BB checks, UTG bets $2.70, matpio calls $2.70, BB calls $2.70

Turn: ($14.40, 3 players)
matpio checks, BB checks, UTG bets $2.10


UTG: 65/19
3Bet: 6,3%
WtSD/W$SD: 42/43
Hands: 56

BB: 20/16
WtSD/W$SD: 17/71
Hands: 310


Am Turn hat UTG noch 12$ behind und ich vs. BB noch 36$.
Wie hoch raisen wir? So ziemlich genau auf 14$ damit ich mit UTG all-in wäre?

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Old Nov 14, 2011, 11:40am   #2
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soweit man das nach 50 Hands sagen kann ist UTG wohl ziemlich hohl von daher kann er auch complete Randome haben aber seine Line sieht schon ziemlich genau nach QQ aus. limp/minraise UTG und dann bekommt er angst am turn vorm K. Trotzdem wird er den shove wohl wegcallen.

BB kann alles mögliche haben. Glaube nicht das du von dem noch irgendwie mehr kohle reinbekommst außer er hat die am sack.
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Old Nov 14, 2011, 12:13pm   #3
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Ich denke mal den stack von UTG kriegst Du hier auf zwei verschiedene Arten: Entweder am turn raisen oder turn callen und dann river donken. Um das Maximum rauszuholen müssen wir uns auf BB konzentrieren. Dieser wird hier, wenn er pre oop die 3bb, dann die gay 3bet und auch noch die c-bet am flop callt vermutlich ein pocket pair haben (QQ+ auch denkbar) oder halt sowas wie TJs womit er meint genug implied odds aufgrund des donks zu haben. Ich glaube gegen einen turn-raise könnte er hier Tx oder auch JJ/QQ folden.

Würde die komische turn-bet also callen und dann am river donken und zwar genau so viel, dass der Fisch allin ist. Das ist etwas ne 1/2 pot bet und düfte nicht allzuviel FEQ gegen den reg haben.
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erschließt sich mir nicht so ganz warum river lead besser ist als den Turn zu raisen?

Turn ist ne ziemlich gut Karte umzu leaden .. meeeeega viel draws/gs pairs blah
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Old Nov 16, 2011, 1:19am   #5
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erschließt sich mir nicht so ganz warum river lead besser ist als den Turn zu raisen?

Turn ist ne ziemlich gut Karte umzu leaden .. meeeeega viel draws/gs pairs blah
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Finde Turncall so ziemlich gleich gut wie 6bet fold KK 100bb deep preflop.

Raise den UTGfish genau AI.
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Old Nov 16, 2011, 9:15am   #6
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Turn-raise ist halt gut gegen den Fisch und mMn schlecht gegen die nit.

Wahrscheinlich habt ihr recht und turn zu callen ist echt nicht so gut. Trotzdem denke ich, dass die nit hier nen guten Teil ihrer underprairs weglegt wenn wir den turn raisen (stack nicht commiten wollen blabla). Draws sehe ich bei der nit auch keine. Aber gut, ob er schon am turn oder erst am river foldet ist für nur $2.70 eigentlich fast egal, wenn man auf der anderen Seite die Chance sieht, dass der Fisch am turn mit nem gutshot all-in callen wird, was bei seinen lustigen SD-stats schon möglich ist.

Also gut, turn callen ist scheiße ---> raise
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Hab auf 14$ geraist, BB pusht!
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