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Old Nov 20, 2011, 10:00am   #1
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Hab ca 20k hands nl20 letze woche gespielt. Scheintn reg zu sein, multitabled. Hab aba hab ihn da zum ersten mal gesehen. Ist looser als die meisten, und scheint bissel spewy zu sein. Experimentiert mit 3bets rum und übertreibts ganz schön. Der schein generell lieber zu 3betten, als zu callen.
Ist die erste oda zweite 4bet. Hab keinen call erwartet aba überrascht mich auch nicht, sieht man da ständig.
Denke seine range ist so AQ, AJs, KQ, KJs, vermutlich auch mal 78s-JTs.
Seh da auch immer wieder mal calls von AK, 99-AA. Aber das wird er schon meistens shoven.

Nicht sicher, was er mit 78s, TTo, JJo, sowie TT-JJ mit club macht gegen nen check, aber tendenziell denk ich würd der einfach alles betten...

Ich hab showdownvalue gegen seine range und/oder auch meistens den besten draw.

Denk auf dem board muss ich stacken, die frage ist nur wie.

Hab mich für c/rai entschieden, weil ich nicht so viel besseres folden seh.
Gegen hands wie KcJx ist es egal was ich mache. Gegen hands wie T9hh ist check besser.
Gegen TTo ist glaub ich bet bissel besser.

Weiter würde mich noch interessieren, was ihr hier mit JcJx, JJo und KKo macht.

$0.10/$0.20 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG Mitja Cvahte ($26.57)
UTG+1 HERO ($22.53)
CO Weas_bg ($20.13)
BTN _Cirilia_ ($18.60)
SB jallipalli ($20.85)
BB oOMelkorOo ($23.82)

Pre-Flop: ($0.30, 6 players) HERO is UTG+1
1 fold, HERO raises to $0.80, 1 fold, _Cirilia_ raises to $2.20, 2 folds, HERO raises to $5, _Cirilia_ calls $2.80

Flop: ($10.30, 2 players)
HERO ???

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Old Nov 20, 2011, 4:38pm   #2
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checkst ziemlich viel auf dem board

kannst 1/3 vbetten / semibluffen ist gut

check call ist nen bisschen weird

check raise sehe ich jetzt nicht den sinn.. glaub kaum das er wirklich TTo betten wenn du checkst .. und AI willst du gegen seine bettingrange da wohl nicht
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Old Nov 20, 2011, 4:47pm   #3
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Würde $1.99 betten und nen shove callen.

Zu preflop: Wenn er so krass viel 3betten, wäre das dann nicht ein cooler spot um die 3bet zu callen? Wir düften gegen eine bluff 3betting-range ziemlich gut dastehen.
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Old Nov 21, 2011, 2:29am   #4
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dann werf ich einfach mal noch direkt jam und check/minraise in den mix
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Old Nov 21, 2011, 2:31am   #5
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denke schon du willst keinen turn spielen. Wenn er TT oder Ax hat, checkt er turn behind und kann river gut spielen. wenn du vorher allin waerst, flippst du mit den hands statt ihn nen guten river spielen zu lassen. Denke daher bet klein + jam turn, oder jam direkt.

check kann nur gut werden wenn er wirklich sehr behindert ist und da hat und anfaengt auf nen check zu bluffen.
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Old Dec 17, 2011, 4:07am   #6
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ja war schon sehr retarded.

HERO checks, _Cirilia_ bets $7.70, HERO goes all-in $17.53, _Cirilia_ goes all-in $5.90

Turn: ($41.43, 2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($41.43, 2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $41.43
HERO shows HIGH_CARD ACE

_Cirilia_ shows HIGH_CARD ACE


HERO wins $35.63 (net +$13.10)

_Cirilia_ lost $18.60

@lejean. 3bet mit KQo oop callen ist imo echt nur schwer bis gar nicht profitabel hinzubekommen, wenn man nich weiss, woraus die 3betrange besteht und was er postflop so anstellt. einfach nur fitorfold spielen geht nicht. also muss man wohl viel c/r oda mit k high oop floaten.
wenn ich keine ahnung hab, wie er mit marginalem showdownvalue spielt mach ich sowas grundsätzlich nicht. zumal 4bet hier auf jeden fall +ev is.
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Old Dec 17, 2011, 4:58pm   #7
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Hast du wieder mal ausgecasht oder warum tümmelst du dich auf NL20 rum? Warst doch schon recht viel auf NL100 unterwegs wenn ich mich nicht irre
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Old Dec 19, 2011, 7:51am   #8
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cash dauernd aus. brauch die kohlen. ansonsten wär ich schon weiter oben.

wurde im sommer auf microgaming so ziemlich vernichtet. 8 von 9k in knapp 3 monaten weg. danach nich so richtig bock gehabt. und nu gehts wieder los. spätestens ende winter sollte nl100 wieder drin sein.

und ich muss nu mal auf meine br bissel aufpassen. hab nur die eine^^
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