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Old Mar 04, 2012, 9:39pm   #1
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Default NL30 sh / KQ, Riversize?

$0.15/$0.30 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($77.49)
UTG+1 ($29.55)
CO ($27.90)
BTN ($29.55)
SB ($23.85)
matpio (BB) ($33.29)

Pre-Flop: ($0.45, 6 players) matpio is BB
2 folds, CO raises to $1.20, 1 fold, SB calls $1.05, matpio calls $0.90

Flop: ($3.60, 3 players)
SB checks, matpio checks, CO bets $2.70, SB calls $2.70, matpio calls $2.70

Turn: ($11.70, 3 players)
SB checks, matpio checks, CO checks

River: ($11.70, 3 players)
SB checks



CO: 31/22

SB: 48/6
Hands: 950


Ist hier jetzt eine kleine Bet besser als eine große?
Groß ist wohl nur gegen Kx angebracht, gegen "alles" andere eher eine kleine imo.
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Old Mar 04, 2012, 10:03pm   #2
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Ich geh mal davon aus, dass CO hier oft genug foldet. Macht die Berechnung deutlich leichter. Damit:
1. Stell ne SB River Range auf
2. Stell ne SB 1/4 Potsize Callingrange auf
3. Stell ne SB 1/3 Potsize Callingrange auf
4. Stell ne SB 1/2 Potsize Callingrange auf
5. Stell ne SB 2/3 Potsize Callingrange auf
6. Stell ne SB 3/4 Potsize Callingrange auf
7. Stell ne SB Potsize Callingrange auf
8. Stell ne SB 1.5x Pot Callingrange auf
9. Stell ne Sb 2x Pot Callinrange auf
10. Berechne über Callingfrequency und Equity bei jeder Size den EV
11. Nimm die Size mit dem größten EV
12. ????
13. Profit


Um der Vereinfachung von oben entgegenzuwirken, können wir davon ausgehen, dass CO nie eine bessere Hand hat und bei kleinen Sizes selten auch callt. Deswegen ist der EV von den kleineren Sizes noch ein bisschen höher.
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Old Mar 04, 2012, 10:50pm   #3
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squeeze pre.

denke den river willst du schon gegen Kx aus der range von dem anderen vogel betten. Würde $8 betten. denke sowas wie 66-QQ callt er dann auch nochmal. von CO gibt es vermutlich nicht mehr so viel zu holen.
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Old Mar 04, 2012, 10:56pm   #4
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squeeze pre.
Ist das ein "Muss"?
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Old Mar 04, 2012, 11:35pm   #5
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Find ich schon. Ne relativ häufige Sequenz wird sein, dass CO foldet und der Fish oop callt. Wenn beide callen ist deine Hand auch erstmal gut genug, um noch +EV postflop spielen zu können, also kommt dein Value nicht nur aus dem dead money.
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Old Mar 04, 2012, 11:56pm   #6
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Hm ok, dann muss ich wieder mal komplett über meine Squeeze Range nachdenken.
Ich call derzeit halt die sooted Hands ganz gerne.
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Old Mar 05, 2012, 1:45am   #7
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1. Stell ne SB River Range auf
2. Stell ne SB 1/4 Potsize Callingrange auf
3. Stell ne SB 1/3 Potsize Callingrange auf
4. Stell ne SB 1/2 Potsize Callingrange auf
5. Stell ne SB 2/3 Potsize Callingrange auf
6. Stell ne SB 3/4 Potsize Callingrange auf
7. Stell ne SB Potsize Callingrange auf
8. Stell ne SB 1.5x Pot Callingrange auf
9. Stell ne Sb 2x Pot Callinrange auf
10. Berechne über Callingfrequency und Equity bei jeder Size den EV
11. Nimm die Size mit dem größten EV
12. ????
13. Profit
Ich wette er hat nach 1. aufgehört zu lesen.

KQ gegen nen volltrottel und nen freizeitspieler mit >70bb nich zu squeezen geht gar nicht.

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Old Mar 05, 2012, 10:33am   #8
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Bin mir ziemlich sicher dass ich das von dir habe, dass man mit dieser sooted Hand durchaus auch nur callen kann.
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Old Mar 05, 2012, 11:18am   #9
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kla is call>fold. aba hier is auch sq>call
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Old Mar 05, 2012, 11:27am   #10
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@Matpio: Weil ich gerade so ne Vorahnung habe was jetzt passieren wird: KQs squeezen heißt jetzt nicht, dass du unbedingt auch QJs, TJs, KTs (also alle suited-broadways) squeezen sollst!! AJs kannst Du aber auch immer wie KQs behandeln und ebenfalls squeezen
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