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Old Jun 28, 2010, 11:08am   #1
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2 tables 5/10 5max NL
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Old Jun 29, 2010, 12:47pm   #2
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Bump for love (which means that I can't really give advice or anything since it's way above my level, but I enjoyed the video).
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Old Jul 22, 2010, 11:51pm   #4
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Hi there,

thanks for the vid, I definitely like it, though don't play Omaha at all.

A few questions on NLH if you don't mind:

16', top-right, ATo on 3486 board:
were you going to 3-barrel any cards, or giving up on certain turns/rivers?

28', bottom-right, A5o on J3JQ board:
if you have showdown value like with 99, what do you do? Or, with weak hands like A3/44/22, do you barrel the turn, and maybe planning to fire any river or what?

29', top-right, ATo on T55xK board:
how would you have played if it was you in the CO with that QcT hand? What if it was QhTx (no flushdraw)?

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Old Jul 23, 2010, 8:50pm   #5
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16', top-right, ATo on 3486 board:
were you going to 3-barrel any cards, or giving up on certain turns/rivers?

Giving up turn 8. 6 and 7 are pretty bad turn cards and I would give up a decent amount of time, but if I decide to barrel the turn on 6 or 7 I'm definetly betting river since he will have a weak pair + straight draw often.
Probably betting river on anything but an 8.

Barreling here is particularly good if you know that he would raise his sets, and slowplayed big pairs on the flop. The adjustment he should be making do avoid being runover is to flat flop and turn with the monsters to induce further bluffs and value bets from me.

Like I said I am just checking and giving up on the flop a decent amount of the time as well.

28', bottom-right, A5o on J3JQ board:
if you have showdown value like with 99, what do you do? Or, with weak hands like A3/44/22, do you barrel the turn, and maybe planning to fire any river or what?

I am betting 99 for value/protection on turn. Ck deciding on the river.

A3/44/22 could attempt to ck it down on the flop (and fold if he bets) if he will ck down with A high and occasionly air. You could balance this by ck calling 3 streets with something like AA,KK so he won't know to barrel you if you check the flop.

29', top-right, ATo on T55xK board:
how would you have played if it was you in the CO with that QcT hand? What if it was QhTx (no flushdraw)?

Not sure it is a tough spot for him. I probably usually call at least the flop raise and turn bet like he did but against some players I could fold on flop. It just depends how often you think he would bluff raise with air and how often he would raise for value with K10,A10 and perhaps slowplayed overpairs. (I might just flat a big pair on BTN vs CO if there was someone particulary squeeze happy in blinds)
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16', top-right, ATo on 3486 board:
were you going to 3-barrel any cards, or giving up on certain turns/rivers?

Giving up turn 8. 6 and 7 are pretty bad turn cards and I would give up a decent amount of time, but if I decide to barrel the turn on 6 or 7 I'm definetly betting river since he will have a weak pair + straight draw often.
Probably betting river on anything but an 8.

Barreling here is particularly good if you know that he would raise his sets, and slowplayed big pairs on the flop. The adjustment he should be making do avoid being runover is to flat flop and turn with the monsters to induce further bluffs and value bets from me.

Like I said I am just checking and giving up on the flop a decent amount of the time as well.
Yeah, from what I know it is very standard to give up when the turn pairs top card of the board. Though sometimes I hear it is still an ok spot to barrel if the flop is more drawy, cause the chance he folds a flushdraw increases (I mean he thinks you should not be bluffing paired turn, so your bet indicates you have a hand, and he knows he might be already drawing dead)... So my last question is, can you imagine a situation where it's ok to bluff-barrel paired turn?

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28', bottom-right, A5o on J3JQ board:
if you have showdown value like with 99, what do you do? Or, with weak hands like A3/44/22, do you barrel the turn, and maybe planning to fire any river or what?

I am betting 99 for value/protection on turn. Ck deciding on the river.

A3/44/22 could attempt to ck it down on the flop (and fold if he bets) if he will ck down with A high and occasionly air. You could balance this by ck calling 3 streets with something like AA,KK so he won't know to barrel you if you check the flop.
So does this mean there are no made hands that you are cbetting with but decide to check-call the turn and check-decide the river? Maybe 66 or 77? I'm still kinda lost, what is better - try to check them down? Or cbet, then check-call/check-decide? Or try to fold mid PPs by 3barreling?

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29', top-right, ATo on T55xK board:
how would you have played if it was you in the CO with that QcT hand? What if it was QhTx (no flushdraw)?

Not sure it is a tough spot for him. I probably usually call at least the flop raise and turn bet like he did but against some players I could fold on flop. It just depends how often you think he would bluff raise with air and how often he would raise for value with K10,A10 and perhaps slowplayed overpairs. (I might just flat a big pair on BTN vs CO if there was someone particulary squeeze happy in blinds)
Ok, that's fine by me. Back to OTB position, can you see yourself bluff-raising here if you miss the flop? (like with overcards or 78s with BDFD+BDSD?
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Old Jul 24, 2010, 9:50pm   #7
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Yeah, from what I know it is very standard to give up when the turn pairs top card of the board. Though sometimes I hear it is still an ok spot to barrel if the flop is more drawy, cause the chance he folds a flushdraw increases (I mean he thinks you should not be bluffing paired turn, so your bet indicates you have a hand, and he knows he might be already drawing dead)... So my last question is, can you imagine a situation where it's ok to bluff-barrel paired turn?
If I am barreling the top paired card, I would like to have some equity (say a flush draw or a gutshot + overcards to the second pair)
I would also like to know that he is often raising the flop with his TP so I can take that out of his range on the turn.

So barreling 4s9sKK with QJ (and following through on river) might be okay if you know KJ and KQ are raising you alot on the flop and AK is not in his preflop range.

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So does this mean there are no made hands that you are cbetting with but decide to check-call the turn and check-decide the river? Maybe 66 or 77? I'm still kinda lost, what is better - try to check them down? Or cbet, then check-call/check-decide? Or try to fold mid PPs by 3barreling?
In general I would like to avoid spots where I have to ck decide on two streets. It just allows him to outplay you to often either with thinish value bets or bluffs.

If I'm ck calling the turn with 66 I would like to know that villian either is very float/bluff happy so I can call the turn and river or is float happy and will also give up on the river often. Both of these are fairly optimistic assumptions. Also I think AK is a better than a small pair to do this with. Still beats air but at least has some outs if you were wrong

I would usually cbet with 66, but probably just ck fold turn. He will ck down with A high or smaller pairs sometimes.


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Ok, that's fine by me. Back to OTB position, can you see yourself bluff-raising here if you miss the flop? (like with overcards or 78s with BDFD+BDSD?
Yes, I would be bluffing raising here randomly with overcards/backdoor stuff. I would like to have him seen me raise in a similar type spot for thinish value before I start doing it to often as a bluff. You have to be a bit careful or your range will quickly get too bluff heavy.

For the second time I raise a guy in a similar spot, I like to do it for value. He could be thinking that I know he knows that I can do this for value. So when I'm doing again he is thinking its a bluff....

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Searched the forum - unfortunately, your older vids are no longer available for download
Seems like good stuff according to comments
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Old Jul 31, 2010, 11:08pm   #9
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Joey is one of the best players who posts here FWIW so his videos are always worth watching.

I'll check this one out when I get a chance
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Old Oct 01, 2010, 10:04am   #10
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Hey Joey, don't you plan to make another vid of NLH? It's 2 months since your last one, and I will be glad to see you playing again...
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